Finally a change to how cars work??

[Digiital]

http://www.hydristor.com/



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I was listening to America's Car Show on XM radio a few minutes ago and a gentleman named Thomas Kasmer was on the show. Thomas Kasmer has invented a device called the Hydristor. I dig cars which is why I was listening and the things that Kasmer's Hydristor can do is unbelievable, but very real.

Here's why Kasmer is going to be filthy rich.

Hybrid cars don't work. Why? Because I don't live in a big city and needless to say, there are many like me. Hybrid cars are built to go slowly in stop and go traffic, but once you get above 20-25 miles per hour the car has to work harder. So if you drive 30 mph or higher, your gas mileage will still be good, but not much better than the current high gas mileage cars like the Toyota Camry. And I've known several Geo Metro's that got over 45 miles per gallon.

Now, the reason why our current vehicles get such poor gas mileage is because while the engines are becoming very efficient, the process that the power generated by the engine has to go through to get to the ground and make the car go isn't efficient. You're transmission absorbs over 40 percent of the power generated by your car's engine.

Thomas Kasmer's Hydristor absorbs about 3% of the engine's power. That's 97 percent efficient power transfer. Kasmer also stated on the Car Show that the Hydristor can also stop the vehicle by itself and it can store all of the energy from the stopping process in a hydraulic storage tank. I can't begin to explain how this thing works, but it's pretty much a simplified automatic transmission with no gears.

The example he gave was that you could be driving 70 mph and come to a complete stop at a light. Then you could shut off the engine and still accelerate from 0-to-60 in 3 seconds from the stored energy from stopping.

He is currently working with Ford Motor Company to fit a Hydristor on a Ford Expedition. For those of you who don't know, an Expedition is one of the largest vehicles on the market today with a huge V-8 that weighs about 7,000 pounds. His Hydristor will supposedly double this vehicle's gas mileage which is probably about 16-20 miles per gallon in a vacuum. That's Honda 4-cylinder mileage out of a 5.4 liter chunk of American V-8 iron.

With the automotive industry being decades from putting together a vehicle that can satisfy our love of power with our hatred of high gas prices and geeky cars, Kasmer has created a device that could be installed on our current vehicles so we don't have to give up our beloved gas guzzling cars and trucks. He stated that his Hydristor could increase the world's average gas mileage from 20 miles per gallon to around 40-45 mpg. And on top of that, we could out-accelerate a Corvette Z06.

That is unless it has a Hydristor as well.

[Mouse]

If true, this could set fuel cell R & D back several decades.

[Exmortis]

From what I gathered from the John Deere video, this transmission basically acts like a battery of some sort to power motors at the wheels. The video does show motors at the front wheels.

[Digiital]

Where is the video?

From what I just listened to, the electric motors where put in replacement of the gas engine for the demo.
He also said that in theory he could get a Ford Expedition to go from 0-60mph in 2.7 seconds from the stored energy in the transmission. Also get 45-40mpg compared to tge current 16mpg

Sounds really promising, lets hope he gets it to market. Before someone in the oil industry wacks him out, "by accident"

[Exmortis]

Where is the video?

On his site.


From what I just listened to, the electric motors where put in replacement of the gas engine for the demo.

I wonder why and it doesn't make for a good demo. The tractor does have a transmission and if you're going to demo the Hydristor, at least make it show using the built-in components as you would do on a car.

I do see the potential, though.

[Digiital]

Ok I must be blind, because I can't see any video link.

[Digiital]

Ok never mind, interesting thing. In FireFox all I see is AUDIO and in IE, I now see AUDIO/VIDEO

[Exmortis]

Ya, you're blind.. ;)

http://www.hydristor.com/audio.html

[Digiital]

:) No really it's not there in FF :) See.

http://x1.putfile.com/8/21610141668-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/21610141668.jpg&s=x1)
http://x1.putfile.com/8/21610145942-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/21610145942.jpg&s=x1)

[Rustynut]

It is the link to the IPFE convention, 4.5 minutes on Windows media player that gives you the video.

[Exmortis]

Refresh your FF cache and you should see it. The button's GIF says it was created today so FF is probably loading the older one from its cache.

Anyway.... now back on topic... :)

[Digiital]

Well I'll be DAMN! You were right. I guess I had gone into the site before you did and at that point I loaded up the old site. NOW I see it in FF.

[Mr. Apollo]

I've been hearing about this for years. From what I read Ford and GM were working on versions but it never seemed to go anywhere. In Ford's case it was basically a hydraulic piston that was pressurized during driving. This pressure was then then released upon acceleration to spin a flywheel to aid in acceleration. Ford showcased it on a pickup truck 2 or 3 years ago at the Detroit auto show. I haven't heard anything for a while so I don't know what happened.

However, what he said about hybrids is a bit misleading. Hybrids work the best in the city in stop and go traffic. On long highway drives they don't have much benefit as the engine has to work full time as they batteries would drain. The batteries are charged when you press the brakes on a hybrid. Secondly a Geo Metro may give you the same fuel economy but a hybrid will have better performance as it will have more horsepower and torque. It just uses it in a more efficient manner.

Finally, this invention is really only works during inital acceleration for a couple of seconds and on large vehicles. It doesn't do anything during regular driving and it doesn't have a huge effect on fuel economy as the engine is needed to charge the system. It is primarly designed to be used when large vehicles are carrying a heavy load to give them an acceleration boost so they don't take so long to get up to speed. It can't really be used on small vehicles as it needs a large engine to charge the system.

Oh I just noticed that it said it can doule the vehicles fuel economy in a vacuum. :rolleyes: That's possibly the stupidest and most misleading thing I've ever read. Take away wind resistence and you'll probably double any vehcile's fuel economy right there. This system is only designed to be used during acceleration, he's making it seem like it'll constanly be used to to save fuel hemce that BS comment about driving in a vacuum. He should have tested a Civic in a vacuum and then compare the two results. What a scammer.

[dawtcalm]

Sounds interesting, but his estimates are a bit off. I highly doubt there are any cars out there that lose 40% of their power in the tranny. when you dyno a car for hits BHP I've never noted more than 25%.. I highly doubt those accel #'s are accurate either....

On the topic of hybrids: Just having your AC on will minimize any benefits from a hybrid as well.

[Mr. Apollo]

Sounds interesting, but his estimates are a bit off. I highly doubt there are any cars out there that lose 40% of their power in the tranny. when you dyno a car for hits BHP I've never noted more than 25%.. I highly doubt those accel #'s are accurate either....

On the topic of hybrids: Just having your AC on will minimize any benefits from a hybrid as well.
Yeah, look at the part where all the estimates are from a theoritical running of the vehicle in a vacuum.

His Hydristor will supposedly double this vehicle's gas mileage which is probably about 16-20 miles per gallon in a vacuum. That's Honda 4-cylinder mileage out of a 5.4 liter chunk of American V-8 iron.
I mean come on, that's pretty misleading. I bet most of those MPG gains are from running the vehicle in a vacuum. Run the Honda Civic in a vacuum and I'm sure it's MPG numbers will double too.

Since this guys invention only works for a brief period during acceleration, in a vacuum you could probably coast a long time just on that inital momentum.

Lets see the results this thing provides in the real world.

You're right about the drivetrain loss too, the largest number I've heard is 30% loss from flywheel to actual wheels nevermind this 40% at the transmission.

[BillD]

This isn't new. There was a guy on the In Toroto program, many years ago (over 20) that was touting similar technology. The drive was hydraulic and there was an accumuater to help with acceleration. They had it in a Volkswagen that could accelerate at a rate compared to a AA fueler. Hydraulic motors would give you instant power. GM had a prototype/experimental car back in the 60s that looked like an open wheel racer. It had a 427Cu in engine powering a hydraulic pump. It had a hydraulic motor at each wheel, and was reportedly capable of 0 to 100 MPH, in a little over 2 seconds. I guess we'll see where this goes. Hybrid cars are not the future, as they have pretty much hit their capability limits now.

[Les Shaw]

Hey just a side note , we got a email from Thomas Kasmer and he wants to respond to this thread. Cool :)

I send him a email back to post in this thread so Let's see :)

[Digiital]

Thats Sooooo cool!!! I guess he did a search on google and found this thread

[Mouse]

I'm still waiting for an independent assessment of his Hydristor system. ;)

[tkat]

I have read the many comments and I would like to address specific questions
from anybody. I know a lot about the Ford hybrid truck. It uses an Eaton developed dual variable axial piston in line (driveshaft) hydraulic energy recovery system employing a 10 gallon accumulator storage tank. The idea is
to brake the vehicle to a stop with the variable driveshaft in-line hydraulic
brake and re-use the energy to get moving again. This was a joint development by Ford, the Army, EPA, and Eaton. The mileage improvement was 37 % in documented tests. The original test vehicle was a 1999 Lincoln Navigator and a lot of this data is on line if you know where to look. I think
the 'Tonka Truck' by Ford also was involved. The original unit weighed 800 pounds and I heard that it was down to 500 pounds. As fas as I know, the original transmission and torque converter were retained.

Now to the Hydristor. I am doing this as an individual. That is why it is taking so long. I have finally found an angel who is financing the Expedition Hydristor. The idea is to develop a standard set of Hydristors which will fit a wide range of vehicles over many different manufacturers by using interface adapters. That may be 5 sizes. The Hydristor housing does not rotate and no
cooling lines are needed due to the high efficiency and therefore low losses.
The reason why the Hydristor can produce such extraordinary mileage gains is that the engine is running at idle Rpm with a heavy throttle. In 1971, I
built a 1972 Camaro Z-28 350 LT-1 as follows: the car as delivered with 3.70
rear ratio would spin the engine at 3,800 at 65. The mileage was 14 Mpg. I
found a manual shift Hone overdrive and then installed a Corvette IRS with
3.07. In OD, the overall ratio was 0.7 times 3.07, or 2.149 in high gear and overdrive. The mileage went to 35 Mpg at 65, just in time for the first gas crises in 1972. So, by slowing the engine to 2200, the mileage jumped to 35 from 14, or 2.5 times the mileage for an engine speed reduction of 58% (1.72)
which is non-linear. Mr. Apollo doesn't see any advantage for a variable transmission at speed. How about slowing the engine to 600 Rpm? That will likely quadruple the mileage. Also, with a variable drive like the Hydristor, the engine could be shut off after pumping the accumulator tank full and drive for awhile with the engine shut off. The Hydristor can smoothly and efficiently re-start the engine when the tank is down, You could go through most small towns, starting and stopping, saving most of the energy, and making true zero emissions. I realize I have a lot to prove to the naysayers, but hang in there. I am now finishing the 7,000 pound Ford Expedition Hydristor converter,
and I have decided to do a DeLorean DMC-12 on my own, and finally, my 87
Chevy 4WD Chevy half ton. I will keep you posted. Anybody wants to call me,
the number is 607-7631607. regards Tom Kasmer

ps: By the way, I can retrofit every vehicle already built or in dealer showrooms. This will save the entire highway fleet instead of scrapping it
and it can be done in 5 years if everybody got with the program.

[frostyone]

Than you Mr. Kasmer for taking the time to reply.

It is curious that to-day the Toronto Star ( Canada's highest circulation newspaper,) devoted most of the front page of it's business section on this.

An abbreviated form of the article is available online here:
http://tinyurl.com/ptbs3

Feb. 20, 2006. 07:41 AM
TYLER HAMILTON

U.S. EPA pushes hydraulic hybrid.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency revealed a year ago that its transportation lab in Ann Arbor, Mich., has patented a hybrid-hydraulic technology and is working with the U.S. Army, United Parcel Service, auto parts giant Eaton Corp. and — you guessed it — Ford, in an effort to bring the new design to the U.S. marketplace.

In fact, the agency has already modified a Ford Expedition SUV with the technology, and came to the conclusion it could improve the fuel economy by 55 per cent