Lindros a Leaf?

[Yogi]

Couldn't find any links on TSN...but there was talk on the news all day about Lindros signing with the Leafs for (I think) $1.5 million salary for a year. The only stumbling block is that Daddy Lindros (his agent) is holding out for a juicy bonus package.

Personally, I feel Lindros is a spent force who's best years are behind him. He's had a multitude of concussions and is very prone to injuries.

I'd pass. What do you think?

[xopt1js]

Personally, I hope it doesn't happen. It is a waste of money for a player who is injury prone and won't be productive.

[BillD]

His injury problems seem to behind him, but the question is, who better is available?

[Limey32]

Considering the current Leafs roster, I would take a chance on him. Better Lindros than nobody, which is all they have done basically so far.

[Dan]

Agreed with Limey32, leaves just got rid of newy and roberts. they can take what they get. i'd rather have cujo come back to tdot, but both would be nice.

[Neal]

Who cares? We have Domi.

[Shaman]

well ill be the optimist


Lindros didn't get a concussion in the last NHL season

add on one more year of rest & recovery & training for this year and you may end up with a Lindros that suprises you.

The reason why Lindros wasn't agressive last year is cause the idiot Rangers payed him for Games played, not performance based, which meant that all Lindros had to do was Float around the ice for 82 games, not get in the corners and fight/battle.

Now I do think Lindros should get a better incentive package, similar to Allison, because hey, if Lindros puts up a 30 goal season, hits, and stays healthy there are few in the league that can come close to Lindros and then 1.6 million is too little, he in fact would be worth 4 million.

So pay Lindros the 1.6 basic + 2.4 incentives say if he hits, 35 goals, 50 assists and also plays in more than 65 games, if one of those is not met then he doesn't get the 2.4 million. It's that simple guys. Fair and simple.

Man I wish I were an agent

If he isn't productive then you've only spent 1.6, if he meets the bonus, then he has helped the Leafs tremendously and everyone is saying, what a great pick up. UNLIKE NOLAN, that BUM

[Glen]

If he becomes a leaf I think I will become a sens fan.

[Lee Anne]

I don't mind Lindros as a Leaf as long as he can stay healthy, what I'm hearing however is that his agent wants a guaranteed salary and the Leafs are not sure if they can afford that .. from The Star's website:

On-going talks between Eric Lindros and the Maple Leafs have hit a significant hurdle.


It ends up that signing the one-time NHL MVP would come with a much larger immediate hit against Toronto's salary cap than had been speculated. All money in a contract offer to Lindros must be guaranteed which makes the often-injured centre a riskier proposition.


The provision in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement that appeared to allow a team like the Leafs to offer Lindros an incentive-laden, one-year contract — with much of the bonus money not counting against this season's cap — does not apply to the Big E.


Oddly enough, for a player with a history of concussions, Lindros was healthy for too long and played too many games in 2003-04 to be eligible for the provision.


In the CBA, players returning from long-term injury who had played more than 400 NHL games and spent more than 100 days on the injured reserve list during that last active NHL season, could be brought back with a small base salary with performance clauses that could take the team up to 7.5 per cent over the $39 million (all figures U.S.) salary cap.


That is how the Leafs signed Jason Allison on Friday. He will be paid $1.5 million as a base but if he reaches plateaus in such catagories as games played and points, he could earn upwards of $4.5 million.


However, it was clarified this week that Lindros falls 18 days short of being eligible to arrange that type of deal. If the measure of Lindros' time on the injury reserve list was taken to the end of the playoffs, then the 32-year-old would qualify. Instead, the cut-off point is when the season of his former team, the New York Rangers, ended. They didn't even make the playoffs.


This change, or clarification, hasn't curtailed the Leafs' interest even though any offer must now be guaranteed and fall under the 2005-06 cap. Negotiations are continuing in earnest. The Leafs have about $8.5 million of cap room remaining to sign five players so they could make it work financially.


Lindros, as is no secret, has long relished the idea of playing in Toronto, where he has a home and much of his family resides. Other suitors for the 32-year-old centre include the Columbus Blue Jackets.


One report yesterday suggested Lindros and the Leafs had agreed on a base salary of $1.6 million and were haggling over bonuses. But since those incentive possibilities can't apply, the sticking point is likely more basic such as the term of the deal, which no longer has to be one year

[Mouse]

Sounds like he's looking for a pension plan.

I say let's not saddle the Leafs with an albatross until we see how the new season plays out.

[SkinnyBoySlim]

I hope we sign him... at least this give us some hope of winning and going far in the playoff.

[Shaman]

Lindros signed as of right this second, confirmed on TSN, watch 6pm for announcement!


Were better +1 Lindros then some other bum


Now if we'd only bring up Wellwood from the AHL, he's wicked (I think thats his name)

[Lee Anne]

I just heard it also on Q107, good move if he can stay healthy imo

[Shaman]

I have to learn to stickhandle with my head up "Quote E.Lindros"

[Mouse]

He must have missed Tyke 101. :)

[Glen]

Go Sens Go!!!!!

[Mouse]

Well, your true to your word.

I just might join you. :)

[Shaman]

Well we have Sundin, who never hits and Lindros because of too many hits, is one hit away from retirement.

We need someone inbetween the two. ya ill get flamed for that.

But ill tell ya, Lindros is still a great talent and if I were Pat Quinn, use him alot on Powerplay and try not to expose him to the kill situations untill late in the season/playoffs.

But after watching the score everysingle media guy was like, when are u returing to your old form,....... old form, now that your a leaf will this excite u to play like ............. your old self............ eric have you healed enough over this year enough to play like ......... your old self.

It's almost as sickening as, is Tiger woods ever gona return to his old form in 2000.

And were not even 24 hrs into it.

[Limey32]

Well, your true to your word.

I just might join you. :)

Come on now, things can never get THAT DESPERATE!! ;)

[YABA]

Go Sens Go!!!!!

Ha welcome to the dark side grasshopper..... :vil:

[hbk2k1]

Leafs are going nowhere near the playoffs this season......hehehe.

[glitch]

Where the hell is Mogilny?
Toronto = hockey retirement spot
I think we are pretty much screwed this year --again.

[I LIKE EGGS]

Personally, I hope it doesn't happen. It is a waste of money for a player who is injury prone and won't be productive.

Oh you mean like Mogilny......and his 4.5 mill salary or better yet Nolan for 5.5? That's a whopping 10mill in salary for what??? 1.5 mill for a gritty player is a far better investment as far as I can see.

[I LIKE EGGS]

Leafs are going nowhere near the playoffs this season......hehehe.

How can you say that without even seeing one game? let alone the next 82???

Sundin
Tucker
Allison
McCabe
O'neill
Belfour
Kaberle
Domi
Lindros
Stajan
Nolan

Please tell me other teams that have such an elite force. 8 forwards, 2 defencemen and 1 goalie that I am proud to have on the Leafs.

[I LIKE EGGS]

Ha welcome to the dark side grasshopper..... :vil:

What.....are the Sens looking for a FOURTH time in 6 years being eliminated by the Leafs in the Playoffs? Sucker for punishment I see. Cuz no matter how you slice it....how well you play all year....or who is on your team.....or where you finish in the regular season.....Playoffs is what it comes down to.

[I LIKE EGGS]

It's almost as sickening as, is Tiger woods ever gona return to his old form in 2000.

And were not even 24 hrs into it.

Well said. I love how everyone is a critic....and the season has NOT even started yet. If everyone that is so negative, has such vast hockey knowledge or the ability to "you know what I would do" mentality....then why are they not working for an NHL team? Or better yet....their predictions are so in tact, why are they not raking in MILLIONS on proline. Fact of the matter is we do not know what is going on behind the scenes, what they have to spend, where it is all spent....nor are we entitled to. I would HATE to be in John Ferguson Jr's shoes. A lot of tough decisions to be made. When he doesn't do anything there are complaints....when he does do something there are complaints......when a player is aquired.....there are complaints......then they eventually like the player.....and when he is let go there are complaints.......JUST SHUT IT ALREADY!!!

SO easy to piss and moan from the comfort of your couch. Why don't they get of their tuckusses and do what the players General Manager and coaches do day in and day out....then and only then can the critisizm be just.

*FYI, this comment is in no way againts Shaman in anyway....I was agreeing with his final statements....and then ranted from there*

[Lee Anne]

Aaaaah, you know I missed all this love last year .. lol


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/leeanne172/maple.gif

[Mouse]

Hang on, Lee Anne.

It has the opportunity to get better, or is it worse??? ;)

[xopt1js]

Oh you mean like Mogilny......and his 4.5 mill salary or better yet Nolan for 5.5? That's a whopping 10mill in salary for what??? 1.5 mill for a gritty player is a far better investment as far as I can see.

And where exactly did I say that Mogilny and Nolan were great pick ups?

[Shaman]

ok guys calm down, it's one to say that Nolan was more than a bad pick up but remember Mogilny & Sundin on the powerplay worked really well, Mogilny picked those corners from the side of the net when Sundin did those cross ice passes. Yeah Mo's been injured but really hes one of the games true snipers and like everyone he's had a full yr to recover. I don't want to see Mogiliny anywhere but in the Blue & White, espically with the new rules & such, that are specifically designed for guys like Mogiliny, Kariya etc

It comes down to this, you let Mogiliny go, chances are you wont be able to pick up a guy that can snipe corners like Mogiliny.

Any why arn't we bringing up Wellwood on 4th line or somethin, he should be on a line with Matt Stagen & Domi well maybe not that combo of players.

BTW I heard somewhere we coulda got Kariya, for like 4 mill, anyone confirm?

[Shaman]

oh and to add some fact to my comment

-Mogilny is a UFA and has been training, and has talked with other teams, not much talk w/toronto (Direct quote from J.Ferguson Fan 590 this morning)

[I LIKE EGGS]

And where exactly did I say that Mogilny and Nolan were great pick ups?

I didn't say you said that I was just working with your line on that Lindros was a waste of money. When I looked at 2 injured players worth 10 million VS one player that "might" get injured for 1.5 million.....I say the Lindros pick was a steal.

You said it was a waste of money.....and I wanted to show you what "really" has been and is a waste of money.

[xopt1js]

I didn't say you said that I was just working with your line on that Lindros was a waste of money. When I looked at 2 injured players worth 10 million VS one player that "might" get injured for 1.5 million.....I say the Lindros pick was a steal.

You said it was a waste of money.....and I wanted to show you what "really" has been and is a waste of money.

I agree, but at the same time, you can not compare pre salary cap salaries with post salary cap salaries.

There is no way the Lindros would have signed for 1.55 million before the cap system was implemented, nor would Mogilny or Nolan.

I hope that Lindros proves me wrong, but i just don't see it happening. :vxd:

[I LIKE EGGS]

I agree, but at the same time, you can not compare pre salary cap salaries with post salary cap salaries.

There is no way the Lindros would have signed for 1.55 million before the cap system was implemented, nor would Mogilny or Nolan.

I hope that Lindros proves me wrong, but i just don't see it happening. :vxd:

I am sure Mog or Nolan will get more on another team than what Lindros got. Me too I hope Lindros proves everyone wrong. Last think I want is a team full of deadbeats.

[Lee Anne]

Lastest Leaf rumour is that they are trying to get Steve Thomas back :rolleyes:

[I LIKE EGGS]

Lastest Leaf rumour is that they are trying to get Steve Thomas back :rolleyes:

I know....cannot wait to hear the complaints about that one. Like just today I heard a co-worker say "Oh remember that alumni game we went to last year @ the ACC......I did not realize that was a try-out game"....or "Prolly get him for $500 bucks".

[xopt1js]

Lastest Leaf rumour is that they are trying to get Steve Thomas back :rolleyes:

Have also heard about this. Reports say that they are offering Stumpy the league minimum ($450,000 US i believe) for one year.

At that price, i say "why not?", but anymore i think would be too much.

Really hope this happens though, if for nothing else but to be a leader in the dressing room and off the ice. One of my favourite Leafs. :)

[Yogi]

Have also heard about this. Reports say that they are offering Stumpy the league minimum ($450,000 US i believe) for one year.

At that price, i say "why not?", but anymore i think would be too much.

Really hope this happens though, if for nothing else but to be a leader in the dressing room and off the ice.
Agreed :)

[Athlon2600Plus]

Yogi, I agree, however, Eric has finally had his dream come true to be a Leaf so that may inspire him to play well despite his past numerous injuries....Only time will tell

[zerocool24]

I think the lindros pick up is a steal, I honestly think he will do very well here (same with allison). I think the leafs will make the playoffs, they just gotta hope eddie stays healthy most of the year. They may not be the 4th seed this year but they will be there. I am hoping allison and o'neill have good years as well. Sundin is pretty much a given that he will get 70-90 points again this year. IF they stay healthy the leafs will be a very good team they have some very strong forwards (when healthy) D is a little weak, but not too bad. Matt Stajan is one of my favorite young players in the league. i hope he gets 50 points this year. However I would not consider him elite (at least not yet, another year or two maybe) and darcy tucker i definitely do not consider elite. He is a very good player but not elite.

Good bye to anyone that is already jumping off the blue and white bandwagon, we'll see you back on it when the playoffs start.

[I LIKE EGGS]

Good bye to anyone that is already jumping off the blue and white bandwagon, we'll see you back on it when the playoffs start.

So true so true. It just boggles my mind to hear all the negative responses regarding the Leafs. And yet come playoff time, they dust their jersey off and away they go.

If you don't like them don't watch them. I still believe that if the team was not under such negative responses or constantly under the microscope that the players could just play and enjoy their job.

[ninety5teg]

totally agreed with u buddy!



What.....are the Sens looking for a FOURTH time in 6 years being eliminated by the Leafs in the Playoffs? Sucker for punishment I see. Cuz no matter how you slice it....how well you play all year....or who is on your team.....or where you finish in the regular season.....Playoffs is what it comes down to.

[xahax]

Hey Leaf lifers, Mogilny is gone ! Why nobody whining yet?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=133724

[I LIKE EGGS]

Hey Leaf lifers, Mogilny is gone ! Why nobody whining yet?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=133724

I wondered that too. I mean he is a great player. I know he missed a lot of the last season he played. However I do not believe he was a good mix within the players we had/have. But if you look at the structure of the team now....he really does not fit.

I will miss when Kaberle would pass to him up the middle Mogilny.....it would really be beneficial this year without having the redline.

However it is better for him to be back in Jersey....and better for us for not having that salary.

[wizzoddz1]

For the relatively cheap price the Leafs got him (Lindros) for, I think it's the best investment made by any team. Why do I say that, you ask? Here's why:

1. He may be at the tail end of his prime at 32 years of age, but his skills have not deteriorated one bit. Have a look at his career stats. He's always been more than a point per game player.

2. I'm sure the long respite was very helpful in his recovery. He should be rejuvenated and ready to go.

3. Change of scenery. He's left that dump in New York and now has a chance to play with a quality character team that has some good pieces. Sundin will do his thing. Other hometown boys O'Neil and Allison should be productive as well. Enforcer Domi is signed. Imo, D still isn't great, but they do have Eddie returning in goal which is a plus. And look for Antropov to finally get something going in his career. I like this 'fragile' guy regardless of what people think of him.

4. Playing in his hometown. I'm pretty confident he'll handle the pressure well and once again flat-out dominate under the new NHL rules where the skill guys will have more opportunities to work in space.

But I do have to say though, like everyone else who's worried about his concussions. The only thing that will slow this beast down his himself. Meaning, if he "thinks" or worries about his head as he plays, he might not be as effective. But I don't think that'll be the case. He should have great flow to his game this year... I know he will!

Enjoy the "new" and EXCITING (whatever - hope so) NHL!

[Limey32]

As sad as I am about the state of my Leafs this year, I know it is only a temporary fall from grace. Next year is a whole new can of worms. In the meantime, I hope Eddie stays healthy for his last year, and both JA and EL remain out of the hospital. I know there is no parade this year, but will still wear my jerseys this winter with pride, and know that summer 2006 is when the Leafs will grab a tonne of free agents. :) Go Leafs Go!

[phoenen]

Limey, u kidding me right, the leafs going to sign a TON of free agents.

Who are they going to sign except maybe St.Louis if he doesn't stay in Tampa.

The pickings are getting much smaller cuase the players are signing with their team like Iginla, Thornton and Lecavalier(SP).

phoenen