2001 Grand am

[sickcars]

Another day another used car found that we may consider.

2001 Pontiac Grand Am
129,000 km/s
$6000

Comes with 6 month Warranty from mechanic shop thats selling it. Cant see any rust on it other then a small loonie sized patch near the window. Some scratches on the body here and there nothing major.

I think the car is fully loaded, power windows/locks also comes with a Sunroof Not sure if this is the highest model or not.

Opinions on the car? Any problems?

Thank You Again

[sargpep]

Although $6000 is not really a large amount of money for a car, I believe that this is overpriced , the car is 6yrs old.

[sickcars]

Although $6000 is not really a large amount of money for a car, I believe that this is overpriced , the car is 6yrs old.

hmm Really? He is asking $6400, but he said he would be willing to do it for $6,000.

How much do you think it should be worth?

Thanks

[lbjgh]

Problem areas will be similar to my wife's previous Malibu.

- prone to warped rotors
- week alternator
- lower intake gasket on engine
- front wheel bearings wear quickly (which means the ABS stops working since it's a combined bearing/ ABS sensor)


Another day another used car found that we may consider.

2001 Pontiac Grand Am
129,000 km/s
$6000

Comes with 6 month Warranty from mechanic shop thats selling it. Cant see any rust on it other then a small loonie sized patch near the window. Some scratches on the body here and there nothing major.

I think the car is fully loaded, power windows/locks also comes with a Sunroof Not sure if this is the highest model or not.

Opinions on the car? Any problems?

Thank You Again

[sickcars]

My brother crashed his car yesterday (2004 Toyota Echo with 38k) and the car may be a right-off. His car hydroplaned and hit a concrete barrier at about 100km/hr. Both air bags went off and he wasn't hurt fortunately.

I'm hoping you guys can confirm a few things.

1. He does have the right to have the car repaired anywhere he wants right? This is important because the car is still under warranty and I want to be sure Toyota continues to warranty the drive train and car for the balance of the warranty, especially with the sever front impact. I suggested he contact a Toyota dealer to get an approved shop name.

2. I checked GMCanada and the black book value is around 10k. What can he expect from insurance if the car is written off? Is the write off value negotiable?

thanks LBJGH


Any reason why you did not create your own topic? lol Probably get more people to help you lol

& thanks for the cons of the car above

Ciao

[lbjgh]

oops

[sickcars]

oops

lol :P

[Dr.Dan]

Problem areas will be similar to my wife's previous Malibu.

- prone to warped rotors
- week alternator
- lower intake gasket on engine
- front wheel bearings wear quickly (which means the ABS stops working since it's a combined bearing/ ABS sensor)
-The bearings are not an issue on the Grand Am like they were on the Malibu
-Every GM has a weak alternator...
-Every GM is prone to warp rotors... but is easily fixed with a good set of Raybestos rotors

If this car is from a dealer and comes with a warranty, $6000 is resonable, but depends on condition, trim level and options
http://www.trader.ca/search/Results.asp?BFROM=1&BAD=N&BPRICE=N&BTYPE=B&BCAT=1&BOREGION=100&BYEAR1=2001&BYEAR2=2001&BPRICE1=&BPRICE2=&BKEYWORD=&BMAKE=750&BMODEL=GRAND+AM&category=1&region=100&makeid=750&modelcode=18640&adcopy=&multiphoto=N&SortBy=askprice&SortOrder=d&DisplayType=pictures&DisplayRowCount=48&mknm=750&mdnm=GRAND+AM&subcategory=&CAT=1

And of course, as with any car, have it checked over by a trusted shop before buyiing it!

[sickcars]

-The bearings are not an issue on the Grand Am like they were on the Malibu
-Every GM has a weak alternator...
-Every GM is prone to warp rotors... but is easily fixed with a good set of Raybestos rotors

If this car is from a dealer and comes with a warranty, $6000 is resonable, but depends on condition, trim level and options
http://www.trader.ca/search/Results.asp?BFROM=1&BAD=N&BPRICE=N&BTYPE=B&BCAT=1&BOREGION=100&BYEAR1=2001&BYEAR2=2001&BPRICE1=&BPRICE2=&BKEYWORD=&BMAKE=750&BMODEL=GRAND+AM&category=1&region=100&makeid=750&modelcode=18640&adcopy=&multiphoto=N&SortBy=askprice&SortOrder=d&DisplayType=pictures&DisplayRowCount=48&mknm=750&mdnm=GRAND+AM&subcategory=&CAT=1

And of course, as with any car, have it checked over by a trusted shop before buyiing it!


Yes we do plan on getting it checked out my our regular mechanic.
Silver Grandam Powerwindows/door locks/cd/sunroof it LOOKS loaded, it does have cloth seats. But I think its a GrandAm GT.

Its notfrom a dealer its from a random mechanic shop. & comes with 6 month warranty.

Thanks

[T_Totler]

-Every GM has a weak alternator...
You can say that again....

I went through a gazillion of 'em with my 1988 Grand Prix. I remember jokingly asking my dealer at the time...."Can I buy a six-pack of alternators?" - to which he replied..."no...hey, we don't design 'em, we just fix 'em"

That spelled the end of my relationship with any of the big-3 North American car makers.

Never again.

[Mischief007]

Never a problem with alternators for me. This Alero has warped rotors (same N-body dynamics as the Grand AM) but I'm replaing them with slotted rotors.

I have 100,000 on my Alero right now with no to little problems.

Which engine does that Grand AM have? If the 3.4, get it checked out in every detail. The last thing you want is a blown gasket and coolant in the oil. That is the worst engine GM made since almost every engine had that problem to some degree.

[sickcars]

Never a problem with alternators for me. This Alero has warped rotors (same N-body dynamics as the Grand AM) but I'm replaing them with slotted rotors.

I have 100,000 on my Alero right now with no to little problems.

Which engine does that Grand AM have? If the 3.4, get it checked out in every detail. The last thing you want is a blown gasket and coolant in the oil. That is the worst engine GM made since almost every engine had that problem to some degree.

Im nto sure which engine but I think its the stronger V6 but not 100% sure

Thanks

[Mischief007]

Im nto sure which engine but I think its the stronger V6 but not 100% sure

Thanks

If they do find an N-body (Grand Am, Alero, Malibu) I'd go for the ECOtec engine first and foremost. That is the engine I have. I know it is a 4 cylinder engine but it is a great engine.

But yeah do let us know. I like these threads :).

[T_Totler]

That is the worst engine GM made since almost every engine had that problem to some degree.
GM hasn't made a good engine since the old 350 cu. in. from the sixties and early seventies ;)

[sickcars]

Here is a picture I found on the net, This looks like the engine other then I dont recall seeing the Red Ram Air letters there.

http://www.graphicinsights.com/grandam/images/DSC00030.JPG

Thanks

[Dr.Dan]

Yep, that's the 3400... find out it's complete history before purchasing

[Mischief007]

GM hasn't made a good engine since the old 350 cu. in. from the sixties and early seventies ;)

Then you haven't driven the Ecotec or the 3800 Series II or the 4.3 L V6.

Like Dr. Dan said, full service history. If it was maintained, you are good to go. If no records exist, run away.

[lbjgh]

The lower intake on the engine will fail if it hasn't already... typically it costs about $800 for the repair.

[sickcars]

The lower intake on the engine will fail if it hasn't already... typically it costs about $800 for the repair.

It might of been done already, thats something we have to check for.

Thanks

[sickcars]

What do you guys think of a Grand Prix GT? I just saw one but I don't know the year as the place was closed but its 2000+. They are asked $6,995 for it, might be able to get it for around $6500

Any major problems with it?

Thanks

[T_Totler]

What do you guys think of a Grand Prix GT? I just saw one but I don't know the year as the place was closed but its 2000+. They are asked $6,995 for it, might be able to get it for around $6500

Any major problems with it?

Thanks
I'd stay well away...

http://www.thecomputermechanics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144028&postcount=10

[Dr.Dan]

I'd stay well away...

http://www.thecomputermechanics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144028&postcount=10
Don't compare your 88 to a 2000+... completely different animal.

I think the GP is one of GM's nicest cars... it has the 3800 engine which is alot better than the 3400.
Still lots of brake complaints, but most GMs do

You're not going to find any car that doesn't have something that goes wrong with it...

[T_Totler]

You're not going to find any car that doesn't have something that goes wrong with it...
True, no car is perfect, but countless studies and consumer reports have shown that Japanese cars have far fewer problems, are far more reliable, and have a much higher resale value than anything coming from North American car manufacturers.

GM, Ford and Chrysler are still playing "catch-up" have been for years.

[lbjgh]

Don't the 3.8L engines have the same problem with the lower intake gasket.

I had that motor in my 91 Olds 88 and it was a good engine.

[Mischief007]

What do you guys think of a Grand Prix GT? I just saw one but I don't know the year as the place was closed but its 2000+. They are asked $6,995 for it, might be able to get it for around $6500

Any major problems with it?

Thanks

I'd consider that faster than the Grand AM. Like Dan said, it has the better 3800 series engine and are reliable cars. Rotor problems again but that can be fixed for not too much money.

[Dr.Dan]

True, no car is perfect, but countless studies and consumer reports have shown that Japanese cars have far fewer problems, are far more reliable, and have a much higher resale value than anything coming from North American car manufacturers.
Not arguing that... but it's not the question here.
I go out of my way to avoid turning a thread into "Import vs. Domestic"


Don't the 3.8L engines have the same problem with the lower intake gasket.

I had that motor in my 91 Olds 88 and it was a good engine.
No, it has never had this as a common problem... but it is possible to have an intake leak on just about anything these days ;)


I'd consider that faster than the Grand AM. Like Dan said, it has the better 3800 series engine and are reliable cars. Rotor problems again but that can be fixed for not too much money.
Not just rotors... calipers sieze up regularly if not serviced yearly.
Fluid changes every 2 years is highly recommended too (coolant, trans. fluid, brake fluid)

[sickcars]

hmm ok thanks for the info.

Reason why we are not getting an Import is because of insurance reasons. Its cheaper to get a Domestic right now then an import for us. Mainly because of me, my age, gender. So we found that if we go for a used domestic the price difference on insurance is not much difference then what we are paying right now.

As of right now it looks like we may be getting the Grand AM GT if it turns out ok after we get it checked by our mechanic. But one thing I heard (not sure if its true) is because the Grand Am GT comes with some security system wit hthe locks or something.

That if we do not unlock the car properly or try a few times that the security system will lock the car some how and we need to car the dealer to unlock to car for us as our key wont work anymore? Anybody heard of this before? What is it and is there a way to disable this?

Thanks for all the help so far :)

[Dr.Dan]

hmm ok thanks for the info.

Reason why we are not getting an Import is because of insurance reasons. Its cheaper to get a Domestic right now then an import for us. Mainly because of me, my age, gender. So we found that if we go for a used domestic the price difference on insurance is not much difference then what we are paying right now.
Uhmmm... you're comparing the insurance cost of a brand new Civic (most expencive car to insure for someone your age!) to that of a 6 year old sedan... you're not on a level playing field SC ;)
Look at the price of insuring a 6 year old Accord, Camry, or Altima and you'll see there's not as much difference as you think.


That if we do not unlock the car properly or try a few times that the security system will lock the car some how and we need to car the dealer to unlock to car for us as our key wont work anymore? Anybody heard of this before? What is it and is there a way to disable this?

Thanks for all the help so far :)
I didn't realize this had become a major problem on 2001 GAs... but this should enlighten you ;)

"(PRWEB) February 21, 2005 -- If you own a 2001 Pontiac Grand Am, you'd better hope you're not stuck somewhere bad when this hits: You go to start your car, and the engine cranks, but it seems like your out of gas, and won't start. Numbers of people then have the car towed to a shop, only to find that the car easily starts after being towed, but no cause is ever found.

The problem is that the RKE (remote keyless entry) system has a defect in it that causes car not to start. As of now there is no recall on the passlock systems. As for a fix, the experts are honestly not sure.

To reset the computerized system, put key in the ignition and leave it in 'On' position for about ten minutes. Then turn it off, and try - it should start then. Warning: Continued resetting of the computer this way will eventually damage computer and will cost lots to replace/fix."

[Mischief007]

Not just rotors... calipers sieze up regularly if not serviced yearly.
Fluid changes every 2 years is highly recommended too (coolant, trans. fluid, brake fluid)

You said the key thing there...maintenance. My car is maintained regularly therefore little to no problems :).

So sickcars, full service history especially with that car :).

[Dr.Dan]

Not just rotors... calipers sieze up regularly if not serviced yearly.
Fluid changes every 2 years is highly recommended too (coolant, trans. fluid, brake fluid)

You said the key thing there...maintenance. My car is maintained regularly therefore little to no problems :).
But servicing the calipers isn't even part of GM's maintenance program, never mind every year.
And the rest of that stuff is allot more frequent then GM recommends
They say 5 years or 160K... that's waaaayy too long... 2 years or 48K

[sickcars]

Uhmmm... you're comparing the insurance cost of a brand new Civic (most expencive car to insure for someone your age!) to that of a 6 year old sedan... you're not on a level playing field SC ;)
Look at the price of insuring a 6 year old Accord, Camry, or Altima and you'll see there's not as much difference as you think.


I didn't realize this had become a major problem on 2001 GAs... but this should enlighten you ;)

"(PRWEB) February 21, 2005 -- If you own a 2001 Pontiac Grand Am, you'd better hope you're not stuck somewhere bad when this hits: You go to start your car, and the engine cranks, but it seems like your out of gas, and won't start. Numbers of people then have the car towed to a shop, only to find that the car easily starts after being towed, but no cause is ever found.

The problem is that the RKE (remote keyless entry) system has a defect in it that causes car not to start. As of now there is no recall on the passlock systems. As for a fix, the experts are honestly not sure.

To reset the computerized system, put key in the ignition and leave it in 'On' position for about ten minutes. Then turn it off, and try - it should start then. Warning: Continued resetting of the computer this way will eventually damage computer and will cost lots to replace/fix."



Ahhh very nice, thanks but this will eventually Damage the computer.... that does nto sound good lol.

Im going to try and get records of the car but i got a feeling they might not even have anything since they probably bought the car used from somebody and now are selling it.

Thanks for the info.

[Dr.Dan]

Well, you can find out what has been done through a GM dealer by getting the VIN and visit your local GM service dealer... ask them to run the history.

[grs7]

I have a 2001 Grand AM with the 2.4 lt engine for 2 years now, with very little trouble. Check out
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=385

[Frogy]

Ahhh very nice, thanks but this will eventually Damage the computer.... that does nto sound good lol.

Im going to try and get records of the car but i got a feeling they might not even have anything since they probably bought the car used from somebody and now are selling it.

Thanks for the info.


"The UVIP can be obtained by calling the Companies and Personal Property Security Branch of the Ministry of Government Services at 1-800-627-8847 or (416) 325-8847 in Toronto. Visa, MasterCard and American Express are accepted. This package can also be obtained from the Ministry of Transportation."


here... https://www.soetrans.serviceontario.ca/MTOWebChannel/?lang=en

[sickcars]

Ok I just came back from looking at the car again. I think we can get the car for $5500 instead of $6000. I asked him about records of what has been done to the car and he said he does not have any because he just bought the car from somebody and is now selling it. I do know that he painted the car, he said because there were scratches and so on around it.

Anyways Sat we are going to bring it to our mechanic to check it out. I also asked him about the lower intake gasket and he said he does not know if it has been changed or not.

Here are some quick pics I took while I was there, should of took one of the engine buy did not have the keys to the car or anything like that.

Thanks

[T_Totler]

I asked him about records of what has been done to the car and he said he does not have any because he just bought the car from somebody and is now selling it.
Those are red flags...

(1) Why is he selling it so soon after he bought it? - Did he discover a major problem which he is withholding from you and trying to unload it?

(2) If he doesn't have the repair history, can he not obtain it from the previous owner? - and why didn't he get it from him/her at time of puchase?

When you get it checked out your mechanic, make sure he checks it out thoroughly as opposed to giving it a quick "once over"

Finally, as Frogy alluded to above, make very sure that there are no liens on it by running the serial number through a PPSA search. That is critical.

[sickcars]

I think I'm going to check the Vin # of the car over the Internet. Anybody have an idea of how much this costs? I was looking on the site but did not see a price for it.

Also do they show the info right away or do they have to mail it to me and I have to wait? If I have to wait I rather just actually go to the place and get the info right away.

P.S. Found it $20 online, but do their display it right away so I can print it or do they mail it out?

Thanks

[Mouse]

He goes to the expense of painting the car, then sells it??

Run as fast as your little legs will carry you.

[T_Totler]

He goes to the expense of painting the car, then sells it??
Good point.

[Dr.Dan]

"he painted the car, he said because there were scratches and so on around it."
That's the oldest line in the book... They only do that to hide something

[Mischief007]

But servicing the calipers isn't even part of GM's maintenance program, never mind every year.
And the rest of that stuff is allot more frequent then GM recommends
They say 5 years or 160K... that's waaaayy too long... 2 years or 48K

I had my front and rear calipers serviced as part of the maintenance program ;).

I guess I have a dealer that cares :).

sickcars:

Umm, run away. You don't want cars that were just painted for minor scratches.

[sickcars]

I had my front and rear calipers serviced as part of the maintenance program ;).

I guess I have a dealer that cares :).

sickcars:

Umm, run away. You don't want cars that were just painted for minor scratches.

I dunno, It Could be a bad car yet it could be a good car? We are still going to have it checked out by our mechanic and see what he says. If he says it looks good, I think we may take it. Since we need a car soon, especially before winter hits.

Thanks

[Lesster]

I think I'm going to check the Vin # of the car over the Internet.

Please reply with the last 7 digits of the VIN. I can run it through a GM system tomorrow. Will see what I can get - accidents don't show unless they affected the warranty - within the warranty period of 36/60.

The 17 digit V.I.N. will be like:
1G2NE_ _ _ _ 1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I need the LAST 8 digits to run the VIN ... but I already know the 10th digit will be a 1 - as it's a 2001 Model Year. I need it before 7:15 a.m. Thursday to take it to work with me.

[Dr.Dan]

Please reply with the last 7 digits of the VIN. I can run it through a GM system tomorrow. Will see what I can get -
See SC, like I said, any GM dealer can bring up the service history on it ;)

Nice of you to offer to do this for him Lesster :bsu:

[sickcars]

Please reply with the last 7 digits of the VIN. I can run it through a GM system tomorrow. Will see what I can get - accidents don't show unless they affected the warranty - within the warranty period of 36/60.

The 17 digit V.I.N. will be like:
1G2NE_ _ _ _ 1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I need the LAST 8 digits to run the VIN ... but I already know the 10th digit will be a 1 - as it's a 2001 Model Year. I need it before 7:15 a.m. Thursday to take it to work with me.


Thank You Very much. Last 8 Digites are, 1C238032

Also the begining of mine is 1GNF5........ (Unless I got it down wrong?)

Thanks For Your Time :)

[sickcars]

Ok well just got back from the Mechanic and we found some problems.

- It was in an Accident
- They cleaned the Engine meaning they could be hiding something, like it was leaking coolant from that known gasket problem.
- Also the coolant was kind thick like they put some kind of Leak Stop in there, to stop it from leaking probably from that gasket. To fix that leaking problem costs around $1,000 from our mechanic.

Other then that the car was in good shape.

So we told him we would give him $5,000 + they had to give us 1 year warranty and fix anything wrong with it. They wanted $5,500 & 6 months but we said no and walked out.

So now we are still looking.

Thanks to everybody and their help, im sure you will see more posts from me about cars coming up :)

Thanks,
Bryan

[T_Totler]

Good move :bsu:

[Mouse]

Mmmm, 6 months you say??

Just when it would start to over-heat in the warm weather.

Imagine that??

;)

[lbjgh]

Sick... and you could have bought my wife's '98 Malibu for $2300 certified and e-tested... and her car had all the common problems fixed already...

My brother's in-laws have a grand am... I'll inquire how much they want.

[sickcars]

Sick... and you could have bought my wife's '98 Malibu for $2300 certified and e-tested... and her car had all the common problems fixed already...

My brother's in-laws have a grand am... I'll inquire how much they want.


Thanks, if they are in good condition and kms are not that high my parents might be interested.

Thanks

[Mischief007]

Good job sickcars.

[Dr.Dan]

It worked out for the best... I have a feeling that your parents would of regret buying it if he had taken your offer.

[sickcars]

hmm not to good. I got home from work today and my parents said they were going to go back and buy the car because they liked it so much & the body is in good condition and so on.

I told them not to buy it, but it seems like they are going to. So I said Pay less $$ then get the gasket problem fixed so you dont have to worry about it.

But i dunno, I think they are going to regret buying it....

[sargpep]

I hope that you don't have any problems with it.

[Dr.Dan]

:rrg:

Good Luck

[sickcars]

ok, they bought it today while I was at school.

$5,500 + 1 Year Warrenty Lets hope everything turns out for the better. We pick it up tomorow I think.

Thanks all for the help.

[Mouse]

Well, that sounds a little better, but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

Good luck.

[Mischief007]

Good luck with it. I really do hope it is in good to very good mechanical condition and that you guys get lots of value out of this car.

[sickcars]

Thank you all.

Some things Im going to tell my parents to do asap.

- Change Coolant from GM 150km (orange) coolant To the normal Green 2 year one.
- Krown Rust Proofing

Thanks

[Mischief007]

Thank you all.

Some things Im going to tell my parents to do asap.

- Change Coolant from GM 150km (orange) coolant To the normal Green 2 year one.
- Krown Rust Proofing

Thanks
:bsu:

[sickcars]

Just keeps on getting better and better.

My dad went to go replace the coolant in the car (orange one) and I told him to get our mechanic to put in the regular Green coolant because the orange one eats away at the gaskets and causes leaks and so on.

He tells the mechanic that and he said no the orange one is better for these cars bla bla and my dad listens and they end up putting the orange one it. Am I missing something or is this mechanic just lost? I have heard that this coolant is bad so why are they putting it back in there?

Also one of the mirrors on the car fell off because it was glued on? So now its back where we bought it and they are ordering a new one to replace.

Looks like this car is going to be a good time....

[lbjgh]

Too bad your folks didn't take MM's advice.


He goes to the expense of painting the car, then sells it??

Run as fast as your little legs will carry you.

[sickcars]

Yup exactly to late now.

But anybody knows about the coolant? I might go change it to the Green one if im correct about the orange one eating the gaskets and causing problems.

Thanks

[Dr.Dan]

There's nothing wrong with the coolant itself; it's how long you leave it in the engine ;)

This Dexcool coolant is suppossed to be good for 5 years, but if you leave it in there that long, the acids build up and eat away at the inside of the engine (especially gaskets).

So, as long as you still change it every 2 years, as you would with the green stuff, all will be fine :)

[Carz n Compz]

Am I missing something? Your parents bought a car that has been in an accident, has engine problems? Please tell me your parents aren't that nieve?

[T_Totler]

Please tell me your parents aren't that nieve?
That's naive CnC :d

[Mouse]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g158/MouseMeat/Smilies/HelloSmilie.gif

[sickcars]

Am I missing something? Your parents bought a car that has been in an accident, has engine problems? Please tell me your parents aren't that nieve?

Ya i dunno, Its not that the engine has a problem right now, its just that those engines are known to Have problems. We had the car checked over and the car is in good condition. Just that it could have problems. But thats also why we got 1 year warrenty.

But anyways I gues we will have to change the coolant in 2 years to the green one.

Thanks

[Carz n Compz]

Buying a car that has been in an accident and has evidence of engine problems in the past is not a smart choice, no matter what price? Especially since the guy lied to you. What is this warrantee? Who provides it?

[sickcars]

Buying a car that has been in an accident and has evidence of engine problems in the past is not a smart choice, no matter what price? Especially since the guy lied to you. What is this warrantee? Who provides it?

Buying a car that was in an accident is not the problem as long as it was properly fixed which it was from what our mechanic said. Hell if driving a car that was in an accident was a bad thing then everybody would be throwing out cars when they get hit.

As stated in one of my other posts we have 1 year warrenty covered by the place we bought it from for any major things like the known problem these engines have.

When did the guy lie to us? Other then not changing the oil when we picked it up?

Im not saying this was the smartest choice but it could of been a lot worse.

Ciao

[Carz n Compz]

Buying a car that was in an accident is not the problem as long as it was properly fixed which it was from what our mechanic said. Hell if driving a car that was in an accident was a bad thing then everybody would be throwing out cars when they get hit.

As stated in one of my other posts we have 1 year warrenty covered by the place we bought it from for any major things like the known problem these engines have.

When did the guy lie to us? Other then not changing the oil when we picked it up?

Im not saying this was the smartest choice but it could of been a lot worse.

Ciao

I was under the understanding that he said he painted it because of "scratches". Didn't he not tell you to your face that it was in an accident?

[sickcars]

I was under the understanding that he said he painted it because of "scratches". Didn't he not tell you to your face that it was in an accident?


But see at that time I asked him, was this car painted before? He said yes it was. I never asked him if it was in an accident. After we found out it was I told him the car was in one and he said yes it was.

[Mouse]

Everyone get off cars back.

His parents blind-sided him, and bought it already.

All discussion about the purchase is now rendered moot.

[lbjgh]

... or we can move this to hot topics and continue. :)

[sickcars]

... or we can move this to hot topics and continue. :)


:P :)

[Mischief007]

... or we can move this to hot topics and continue. :)

Nice try.

Like I said, hopefully many miles of happy motoring :).

[sickcars]

Nice try.

Like I said, hopefully many miles of happy motoring :).

Some how i dont think so :) & knowing my luck its going to die when im driving it, LOL

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[Mischief007]

Some how i dont think so :) & knowing my luck its going to die when im driving it, LOL

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Let me just tell you that I've always driven GM and they broke in the driveway :P. They usually didn't start, if it wasn't an alternator, it was a battery, or fuel pump.

I do hope you guys get lots of good mileage out of it and that it proves you wrong :).

[sickcars]

Ok question,

This car came with lightly tinted windows from factory. Now when we look at the read window it looks oily, my guess its from the Tint as we washed the car this morning and clean that windows outside and inside yet its still oily.

So I'm wondering is that possible? Could I just rip off the tint? Also how much would it cost to fix it if I took it to say tint king or whoever takes car of this?

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[Dr.Dan]

Factory tinted glass is IN the glass... it's not film that is applied inside like tint king or whoever does.

If there is tint film on the back window, and it needs to be removed, there's a good chance that it'll destroy the rear window defogger.

Now, I don't know what exactly you mean by 'looks oily'
If you mean that it has streaks or smears, then it is possible that someone cleaned the glass with something silicone based or applied RainX Anti-fog to the inside of the glass.

Try cleaning it over and over with vinegar and water until it's gone

[sickcars]

Factory tinted glass is IN the glass... it's not film that is applied inside like tint king or whoever does.

If there is tint film on the back window, and it needs to be removed, there's a good chance that it'll destroy the rear window defogger.

Now, I don't know what exactly you mean by 'looks oily'
If you mean that it has streaks or smears, then it is possible that someone cleaned the glass with something silicone based or applied RainX Anti-fog to the inside of the glass.

Try cleaning it over and over with vinegar and water until it's gone

Hmm ok we will give that a try, also i'll see if i can take a picture and post it so you have a better idea

THanks

[sickcars]

I took a look @ the windows and I noticed that the side windows (driver & pass) do have the sheets of tint on them because @ the very top there is about hald a cm or less thats not tinted. Also looks like the back window is about the same as if there is a tint sheet added to it.

If this is the case can we just rip it off basically? Or should a Pro do it for whatever reason?

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[Lesster]

Like Dr. Dan stated: If the after-market tint is pulled off the rear window it will probably destroy the grid lines for the rear defogger. I would try to avoid removing it from that glass.

I don't think there's a problem with the side glass - just don't scratch it. Call a glass place and see if they will give you any help with the best method of removal.

[sickcars]

Like Dr. Dan stated: If the after-market tint is pulled off the rear window it will probably destroy the grid lines for the rear defogger. I would try to avoid removing it from that glass.

I don't think there's a problem with the side glass - just don't scratch it. Call a glass place and see if they will give you any help with the best method of removal.

Oh ok, dam cause I only need it removed on the back window since its hard to see out the back which could be considered a saftey hazzard.

We will have to take it in to be looked at,

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[sickcars]

Good news,

Today my parents took the car to where we bought it to see if they could do anything and they removed it no problem and did not effect the grid lines for the defogger.

So that turned out good :)

Thanks for the ehlp everybody.

[Mouse]

Decent, especially if they did it for free. :)

[sickcars]

Decent, especially if they did it for free. :)

yes they did :)

Ciao