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Yogi
08-24-2005, 09:37 PM
TORONTO (CP) - Ontario is five years away from becoming a so-called "have-not" province and dragging down the Canadian economy if Ottawa doesn't change the formula for how wealthier provinces help out less affluent neighbours, a new report warns.

The Ontario Chamber of Commerce report concludes the province, long considered the country's principal breadwinner since Confederation, is paying too much to Ottawa in transfer and equalization payments compared with what it gets back.

As a result, the report warns that on a per-capita basis, Ontario will fall further behind other provinces in terms of funding for hospitals, nurses, college grants, university professors and other public services.

And the economic cost to Ontario, the country's manufacturing heartland, could in turn have a disastrous economic impact on Canada as a whole, chamber president Len Crispino argued Wednesday.

"Equalization, transfer payments and federal government habits are damaging Ontario and risking the very foundations of Canada's economic strength," Crispino said as he released details of the study at the Ontario legislature.

"This is not just an Ontario problem. It is a national problem that every Canadian should be concerned about."

In Regina attending a federal Liberal caucus meeting, Prime Minister Paul Martin denied Ontario is being treated unfairly.

"Ontario is a very strong province and will continue to be that way and our transfers to Ontario are at an all-time high," Martin said. "We continue to treat every province fairly and according to their needs."

A second report from the chamber making recommendations on how to fix the equalization system will be released in October. Ottawa plans to have new payment allocations in place by next April.

The gap between what Ontario pays to Ottawa and what it gets back to fund social programs has in recent months been a favourite topic of Premier Dalton McGuinty, who claims the gap has reached a whopping $23 billion.

Crispino thinks that's too low.

"If anything, he has underestimated the problem," he said.

Finance Minister Ralph Goodale said it would be counterproductive to enter into any Alberta-versus-Ontario debate.

"There are periods of time when the economies of various parts of the countries are moving at different paces or different rates compared to others," Goodale said.

"I think it is important to avoid this kind of beggar-your-neighbour approach, which can only serve to create greater divisions than might otherwise be the case."

Currently, Ontario and Alberta are Canada's only "have" provinces, meaning they don't collect equalization payments. The rest collect the payments on an unconditional basis and use them at their own discretion to offset public service costs.

However, Alberta is now swimming in revenues from sky-high oil prices, while Ontario is suffering from soaring energy and gas costs.

The chamber said Ontario isn't necessarily looking for Alberta to spread its recent cash windfall.

That wouldn't play well in the oil-rich province, which was forced to hand over resource cash in the 1970s under the controversial National Energy Program that stirred western alienation.

Revenue Minister John McCallum acknowledged Ontario's inability to keep pace with Alberta's booming economy is "well-founded."

However, "the idea that Ontario is heading for have-not status is something I find hard to believe," said the Toronto MP and former Royal Bank chief economist.

The author of the chamber's report, David MacKinnon, said without changes to the equalization payment formula, Ontario would likely have to raise taxes to cover public service costs - an unpalatable option among voters and one that would impair the province's tax competitiveness.

Equalization is one of four federal programs that transfers money to provinces and territories. Two pay for health and social services - the Canada Health Transfer and the Canada Social Transfer - while another is geared specifically for the territories.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/08/24/1186319-cp.html

Tim
08-24-2005, 09:52 PM
I think it's time to stand up and say screw all the western and quebec separatists, go ahead, Ontario will be just fine by ourselves thank you.
See ya.

Yogi
08-24-2005, 09:56 PM
I think it's time to stand up and say screw all the western and quebec separatists, go ahead, Ontario will be just fine by ourselves thank you.
See ya.
Yes, but not before we get a cheque from Ottawa for our fair share of our contribution to Canada :)

Mouse
08-24-2005, 10:00 PM
Forget that. No sense sending good money after bad.

Just cut the cord.

The Sovereign State of Ontario. :)

Yogi
08-24-2005, 10:05 PM
Forget that. No sense sending good money after bad.

Just cut the cord.

The Sovereign State of Ontario. :)
lol

A new party is about to form...

The BLOC ONTARIO. MouseMeat shall be our first duly elected Party Leader by acclamation (unless Walter challenges of course lol) :d

Tim
08-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Forget that. No sense sending good money after bad.

Just cut the cord.

The Sovereign State of Ontario. :)
bingo. Just say no to Liberals.

Let them govern the rest of them, if they can.

Mouse
08-24-2005, 10:15 PM
If nominated, I will not stand; if elected, I will not serve. :)

Yogi
08-24-2005, 10:25 PM
bingo. Just say no to Liberals.

Let them govern the rest of them, if they can.
Without Ontario's votes, the Liberal party would be in the doldrums of opposition ad infinitum.

dakotaeagle
08-24-2005, 10:46 PM
; if elected, I will not serve. :)

Just like Ivan Grose did when he was in office

Tim
08-24-2005, 10:56 PM
Without Ontario's votes, the Liberal party would be in the doldrums of opposition ad infinitum.

opposition to what?

Yogi
08-24-2005, 11:04 PM
opposition to what?
Sitting as an opposition party...since they would no longer garner enough votes to form a government without good ole' Ontario :)

Tim
08-24-2005, 11:07 PM
again...

opposition to what?

Walter
08-25-2005, 07:10 AM
lol

A new party is about to form...

The BLOC ONTARIO. MouseMeat shall be our first duly elected Party Leader by acclamation (unless Walter challenges of course lol) :d

If you can guarantee me that part of the seperation deal would be that all small l cradle to grave liberals would be deported I would be in favor of a place where freedom of expression is not hampered by political correctness, where you take individual responsibility for your actions, where the government only provides essential services, safety and health, where criminals are not sent to jail but are deported either to their country of origin or Quebec whichever is worse, where a politician breaking a promise is akin to treason and it's penalties, etc. I would still not be interesting in running for poltical office......I would be too busy being productive, getting rich and deciding with whom I would share my profits.

But the reality is the people of this province elected Rae, Nixon, Peterson, McGinty and Miller and voted out Harris so.........

Walter
08-25-2005, 08:01 AM
Ontario's status

Here are some of the highlights of the Ontario Chamber of Commerce's report: Fairness in Confederation — Fiscal Imbalance: Driving Ontario to "Have-not" Status:

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Ontario's per capita income was 12 per cent above the national average in 1990 and 5 per cent above in 2003, meaning if that downward trend continues, the province will take on "have-not" status by 2010 because it will have fallen behind the national average.

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There is a $23-billion gap between what Ontario taxpayers send to Ottawa and what is returned to the province in terms of funding transfers and services.

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Ontario has the fewest registered nurses per capita in Canada at 65 per 10,000 people, well below the national average of 73. The Northwest Territories lead the country with 118 per 10,000.

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The numbers are only slightly more encouraging for physicians. There are 180 doctors per 100,000 Ontarians — the national average is 189. Nunavut has just 35 per 100,000, while Quebec leads Canada with 212.

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There are just 2.7 hospital beds per 1,000 Ontarians, the lowest in the nation. The national average is 3.6 beds and New Brunswick leads the way with 5.3.