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Digiital
08-26-2005, 01:13 PM
Oil barrel at $100, $4.5 per gallon here is why.

Over lunch I found this from a writer who I think finally understands the
"oil" problem. Of course, if America did not consume 1 in 4 barrels
produced worldwide things could be a little better! Damn those Hummers.


Energy It's Only The Beginning
David Andelman, 08.25.05, 3:00 PM ET

There's a fun battle going on in the pages of The New York Times between
columnist John Tierney and Sunday Magazine writer Peter Maass. It's over
just how much oil we have left in the world--and therefore, it would
appear, how much time we have before we hit the wall of an oilless
Armageddon.

Tierney thinks it's all bogus--that like we have many times before, we
will get past this momentary bubble in oil prices.(THE YERGIN VISION) The
Saudis or some other still to be identified oil power will simply stick a
few more straws in the ground and suck up some more oil, and all will be
right with the world.

Maass, however, believes there are simply no more straws to stick in the
ground in the Great Arabian Desert, and that we are on the cusp of seeing
the most oil we will ever find being sucked out of the ground today.(THE
SIMMONS VISION) Implicitly, of course, even if demand remained constant,
the price would have to begin soaring--indeed it already has.

The problem is that they're both wrong, though Maass has it closer to
correct. The fact is, they're arguing over the wrong question. They're
arguing how much supply is left. The elephant in the room that neither
appears willing to acknowledge, isn't how much oil is left, but how many
people there are consuming it. (INSIGHT!)

Thursday morning's news out of Beijing is the most ominous to date for
those who, correctly in my view, are arguing over not how much supply we
have left, but how quickly demand is overtaking and blowing past--way
past--the ability of any new supplies to keep up.

The Chinese government disclosed that its oil imports surged 15% in July
over the year-earlier level to 2.62 million barrels per day. That's a
stunning and, frankly, frightening increase in just one year. It's still
far short of U.S. imports of 10 million barrels a day, but at that rate of
growth in China, it won't be long before the two powers will be neck and
neck.

And it's only the beginning. The fact is, the Chinese are off trolling the
world for sources of supplies that haven't yet been locked up by Western
oil giants. Though they missed getting Unocal (nyse: UCL - news - people )
away from Chevron (nyse: CVX - news - people ), last week, they offered
some $4 billion for PetroKazakhstan (nyse: PKZ - news - people ). And
they've invested heavily in some of the crown jewel fields of Russian oil
giant Yukos after the Russian government came in and stole it from its
owners. Their goal is to become the destination of choice for any oil
neighboring Russia manages to coax out of the ground.

The Chinese are desperate because they, at least, see the locomotive at
the end of the tunnel headed straight for us. The fact is that China has
barely a third of its 1.3 billion people consuming any quantity of oil at
all right now. And yet, its consumption is exploding at the staggering
rate of 15% a year. When the rest of the Chinese head for the pump--look
out .

The reason the demographics are so frightening is that just 400 million or
so Chinese are in the developed regions along the coast from Shanghai down
through Hong Kong and in other big cities like Beijing. If China, as its
leaders suggest they'd like to do quickly, bring into the developed world
even a third of the 900 million in the primitive interior of the nation,
that would mean bringing another entire United States online in just a few
years. And just imagine all the oil they'll consume.

And of course this is ignoring completely hundreds of millions more in
India and Indonesia--the world's second and fourth most populous nations.
Eventually, they'll want their share too. India already imports 76% of its
2.57 million barrels per day consumption. And it's growing as well, though
at a fraction of China's pace.

Can the world and its oil supplies withstand that kind of strain? I think
the only question is how quickly all this will dawn on oil traders and how
fast we reach $100 a barrel. Which itself may be only the beginning

Just Doug1
08-26-2005, 02:13 PM
We are already paying $4.50 a gallon.

Frogy
08-26-2005, 02:17 PM
We are already paying $4.50 a gallon.

That's at $68/barrel and crude will go up even higher this year possibly hitting the $80 mark.

With increased demand, an alternate fuel source is paramount.

Digiital
08-26-2005, 02:28 PM
4.50 if your in the US.

mander
08-26-2005, 02:47 PM
4.50 if your in the US.

1 CDN gallon is 4.5 litres
$1 per litre X 4.5 = $4.50

Not sure where you see that the price for fuel in the US is $4.50 :tch:

Digiital
08-26-2005, 02:52 PM
People people. Ya sure it's 4.50g if you convert L to a US gallon . But this article is US based, the US right now is paying about 2.60gallon, they are refering to how in a few months the US could be paying that much.

I LIKE EGGS
08-26-2005, 03:08 PM
In Canada we are being hosed VS the USA. Cost per litre is way more here than there.

Our gas is $1 per litre, and theirs is (at highest I have seen 3.07 per gallon)
Gallon = 4.5 litres

$1 * 4.5 litres = $4.50
3.07 / 4.5 = 0.68 per litre

even with the exchange we are still paying more.

Frogy
08-26-2005, 03:14 PM
In Canada we are being hosed VS the USA. Cost per litre is way more here than there.


Agreed but are they paying 39% of the cost at the pump in tax? Then again, we aren't 1/10th of their population and probably consume more per person than they do. Wouldn't it be nice if we only sold our oil to Canadians as opposed to exporting and then importing?

Frogy
08-26-2005, 03:35 PM
People people. Ya sure it's 4.50g if you convert L to a US gallon . But this article is US based, the US right now is paying about 2.60gallon, they are refering to how in a few months the US could be paying that much.


I guess that means that when they're paying $4.50 US we'll be about $7.78 CDN. Scarry eh!

Pradesian
08-26-2005, 03:43 PM
Interesting article, but aside from the dwindling oil supply, the major bottleneck to meet the increasing thirst of oil is refining capacity. You can have all the oil in the world but if you can’t refine it fast enough to meet the demand, prices will go up. Why don’t they just build new refineries, you say? They haven’t built a new refinery in the U.S. since the late 70s. About half have shut down since then. Oh, and it takes up 7 years to get a new one up and running. That’s if you get past the red tape thrown at you by environmental lobbyists and strict regulations. The thirst for oil will not be slaked until the wells are dry. People are greedy and selfish and it will take $100+ oil before we even begin to seriously consider alternative fuel sources.

So what to do? Invest in energy and oil, folks, and enjoy the ride.

I LIKE EGGS
08-26-2005, 04:00 PM
Agreed but are they paying 39% of the cost at the pump in tax? Then again, we aren't 1/10th of their population and probably consume more per person than they do. Wouldn't it be nice if we only sold our oil to Canadians as opposed to exporting and then importing?

And we are paying over 50% at the pump in tax. Just look at the lil info sticker on the pump. As for the consumption.....I would like to see that statistic considering the US is number one for consumption followed by China.

Even if their gas price contains 36% taxes....fact is they are still paying 3.07 per gallon or 0.68 per litre....and even with the exchange (lets say $0.12 on $0.68) that is stilll $0.80 per litre Canadian.

Sorry Frogy, I read what you said wrong. I thought you said that the US WAS paying a lot for taxes....please forget the other posts. (I am such a dolt LOL)

I LIKE EGGS
08-26-2005, 04:20 PM
By the way, regardless of what percentage you are paying in taxes is irrelevent. If you paid $0.80 per litre and the taxes were 60% VS $1.00 per litre and taxes were 40% who cares what the taxes are....bottom line is what YOU as a consumer are paying for final product. Taxes are already factored in.....so your end result, what you pay, is all that matters. Pound for pound we as Canadians are getting hosed at the pumps VS Americans.

Sorry Frogy, I read what you said wrong. I thought you said that the US WAS paying a lot for taxes....please forget the other posts. (I am such a dolt LOL)

Digiital
08-26-2005, 05:29 PM
CORRECTO!


I guess that means that when they're paying $4.50 US we'll be about $7.78 CDN. Scarry eh!

BillD
08-26-2005, 05:30 PM
There is only 3.8 litres in a US gallon, so that makes the $3.07 gallon, $.80. Add the exchange rate and there isn't much diffrerence. Factor in the amount that our price is tax, and they might actually be paying more.

Frogy
08-26-2005, 06:05 PM
There is only 3.8 litres in a US gallon, so that makes the $3.07 gallon, $.80. Add the exchange rate and there isn't much diffrerence. Factor in the amount that our price is tax, and they might actually be paying more.


Duh, my bad hair day.

tbs, there is no doubt that we will be paying much more for gas in the near future, whether it be in CDN or US $. A sign of the times for sure.

Rustynut
08-26-2005, 10:23 PM
I know! We need to bottle this!