The London Terror

[jovin]

Fascinating how the media handles this horrific terrorist act in London, England.

The same thing and worse happens in Iraq day in and day out every day. Who cares?

[Bogie]

I think most of us care. For both London and what goes on in Iraq. What makes you feel different?

[bigzig]

what he is trying to say is that the media is all over this story, when stuff like this happens every day in iraq and the media doesn't really care for it.

[Skyguy]

what he is trying to say is that the media is all over this story, when stuff like this happens every day in iraq and the media doesn't really care for it.The news media is constantly hungry for the next big THING... (Whatever it may be...) If it gets "fed" the same thing every day, it loses interest because it's viewers & readers (i.e. "us") lose interest.
Don't tell me no one here can remember back when the IRA's mini-urban guerilla war was in full swing??? The bombings & firefights stories got pushed to the back pages like events in Iraq...

[jovin]

I think most of us care. For both London and what goes on in Iraq. What makes you feel different?

I think you're wrong. Most of the Western world couldn't care less about what's happening in Iraq as it's not affecting "them" or "us", and the media has proven that. 50 Iraqis are killed every day and they get about 10 seconds worth of news. 40 or so Brits are killed by terrorists on one day and every TV channel and radio station provides 24-hour coverage continuously to the point where it becomes nauseous as they have nothing new to report.

I'm just making a comment about the hypocrisy of the media and the governments in the West. In no way am I supporting or condoning these terrorist acts.

[dusty550]

Apparentally now, the group responsable for these attacks are going to hit other countries that have forces in Iraq and Afganastan (Spelling). As far as i can remeber Canada doesnt have any in Iraq, But in Afganastan i think theirs peacemakers.

And again, This is another time where bush said "This is why the War in Iraq should continue".

Hopefully no more people died, but this is dumb, as mentioned above,

50 Iraqis are killed every day and they get about 10 seconds worth of news. That is true, i hear it on the news all the time (for only a few seconds)...

I hope they can find a solution (thats peaceful) to stop all of this, then all they need to do is stop poverty in developing countries.

[Kelisis]

If Bush had been smart, he would have focused strictly on Afghanistan and Osama and his crew. Going into Afghanistan made sense because that was Al-Qaida's base of operations.

Bush blew all his post 9/11 political capital by going into Iraq and taking his eye off the Osama ball.

[jovin]

If Bush had been smart, he would have focused strictly on Afghanistan and Osama and his crew. Going into Afghanistan made sense because that was Al-Qaida's base of operations.

Bush blew all his post 9/11 political capital by going into Iraq and taking his eye off the Osama ball.

Now we're talking! Remember the war on terrorism declared by Bush after 9/11? It never really started, but most Americans actually believe it's now over even though OBL has never been captured or killed and Al Quaeda is still a major world-wide terrorist threat. And the Americans have 130,000 or so troops in Iraq trying to keep the peace in a foreign country and not fighting terrorism. Totally amazing. What is more amazing is that most Americans believe that Nazi Germany was a product of government propaganda and don't see their own predicament under the Bush administration.

[Blueharp]

I think you're wrong. Most of the Western world couldn't care less about what's happening in Iraq as it's not affecting "them" or "us", and the media has proven that. 50 Iraqis are killed every day and they get about 10 seconds worth of news. 40 or so Brits are killed by terrorists on one day and every TV channel and radio station provides 24-hour coverage continuously to the point where it becomes nauseous as they have nothing new to report.

I'm just making a comment about the hypocrisy of the media and the governments in the West. In no way am I supporting or condoning these terrorist acts.

I really think to be fair the distinction needs to be made that while there is disagreement on the legitimacy of the Iraq war it is in fact an ongoing war, while the terrorist acts are simply acts of cowardice and are spikes in everyday life, relatively speaking. The media always feeds on the spikes rather than the even flow.

[Just Doug1]

Ironic isn't it that free speech and all it's glorious preversions allows for such expression to have any validity in "shaping" public perception?

[Just Doug1]

Now we're talking! Remember the war on terrorism declared by Bush after 9/11? It never really started, but most Americans actually believe it's now over even though OBL has never been captured or killed and Al Quaeda is still a major world-wide terrorist threat. And the Americans have 130,000 or so troops in Iraq trying to keep the peace in a foreign country and not fighting terrorism. Totally amazing. What is more amazing is that most Americans believe that Nazi Germany was a product of government propaganda and don't see their own predicament under the Bush administration.

What is more amazing is that you've totally forgotten that whereas America has focused it's over-abundant zeal on terrorism, Nazi Germany focused it's over-abundant zeal on the Jews.

[Walter]

I think you're wrong. Most of the Western world couldn't care less about what's happening in Iraq as it's not affecting "them" or "us", and the media has proven that. 50 Iraqis are killed every day and they get about 10 seconds worth of news. 40 or so Brits are killed by terrorists on one day and every TV channel and radio station provides 24-hour coverage continuously to the point where it becomes nauseous as they have nothing new to report.

I'm just making a comment about the hypocrisy of the media and the governments in the West. In no way am I supporting or condoning these terrorist acts.

It is not surprising that an apologist for the terrorists, like you seem to be, doesn't get it so let me try to explain.....

There is a reason it is called N-E-W-S.

The attacks by your terrorist friends, on mainly other muslims, is reported each day and I don't know how you can say you don't support these cowards when you always appear to be trying to shift the blame elseware.

Maybe you can highlight when and where the WEST first blew up innocent civilians in the middle east which in turn resulted in cowards from the middle east retaliating (definition: To pay back (an injury) in kind.. To return like for like, especially evil for evil.).

[jovin]

What is more amazing is that you've totally forgotten that whereas America has focused it's over-abundant zeal on terrorism, Nazi Germany focused it's over-abundant zeal on the Jews.

I was referring to the similarity of the government communications methods used not the intent. Of course I agree with you on the latter.

[jovin]

It is not surprising that an apologist for the terrorists, like you seem to be, doesn't get it so let me try to explain.....

There is a reason it is called N-E-W-S.

The attacks by your terrorist friends, on mainly other muslims, is reported each day and I don't know how you can say you don't support these cowards when you always appear to be trying to shift the blame elseware.

Maybe you can highlight when and where the WEST first blew up innocent civilians in the middle east which in turn resulted in cowards from the middle east retaliating (definition: To pay back (an injury) in kind.. To return like for like, especially evil for evil.).

It's amazing what you infer from my posts on this subject, Walter. Just point to one specific example where I even appear to sympathize with terrorists and their actions. My original post was intended to draw attention to the disparity in media coverage of horrific events in the Midddle East as opposed to those that occur in Europe and North America. If you don't think it's a valid topic for discussion just say so without trying to impugn my character of which you know nothing about.

By the way, I would like you to retract your references to me as "an apologist for the terrorists" and "your terrorist friends". What were you thinking? I don't think you need to resort to personal defamation to make a point, but perhaps it's totally in keeping with your debating style to lump people in certain categories to belittle and scorn them as it suits you .

[Mouse]

Walter is happy that the Internet is free of libel and slander laws.

Or is it?

I think we should take away his Order of Canada. ;)

[Walter]

It's amazing what you infer from my posts on this subject, Walter. Just point to one specific example where I even appear to sympathize with terrorists and their actions. My original post was intended to draw attention to the disparity in media coverage of horrific events in the Midddle East as opposed to those that occur in Europe and North America. If you don't think it's a valid topic for discussion just say so without trying to impugn my character of which you know nothing about.

By the way, I would like you to retract your references to me as "an apologist for the terrorists" and "your terrorist friends". What were you thinking? I don't think you need to resort to personal defamation to make a point, but perhaps it's totally in keeping with your debating style to lump people in certain categories to belittle and scorn them as it suits you .

Innocent people are killed and injured and the only comment from you is a condemnation of the Western Media?

I don't keep track and maybe in one of your posts you wrote a scathing condemnation of Al Queda and it's terrorists actions but it seems to me that the center of your fury seems to be George W. Bush and the United States. IMO you can't attack one side of a dispute without giving the appearance of being a supporter of the other side. No one is saying you can't be critical of Bush but if you are not balanced in your comments people could get the wrong impression.

[jovin]

Innocent people are killed and injured and the only comment from you is a condemnation of the Western Media?

I don't keep track and maybe in one of your posts you wrote a scathing condemnation of Al Queda and it's terrorists actions but it seems to me that the center of your fury seems to be George W. Bush and the United States. IMO you can't attack one side of a dispute without giving the appearance of being a supporter of the other side. No one is saying you can't be critical of Bush but if you are not balanced in your comments people could get the wrong impression.

Like you, posting on this forum does not place any particular responsibilty or compulsion on me to present a "balanced" point of view for any issue discussed here. But then you probably presume that your posts present a "balaced" point of view. However, as you're finding out on your own forum, that's far from being the truth.

I am still waiting for an apology.

[Wingnut31]

Try the Margolis/Sun piece today: As we sowed, so do we reap (http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2005/07/10/1124667.html)

or a better read even still if you take the time to think it through and get past the over the top references.

"Some People Push Back" On the Justice of Roosting Chickens

written by Ward Churchill // 9-11-2001

When queried by reporters concerning his views on the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963, Malcolm X famously – and quite charitably, all things considered – replied that it was merely a case of "chickens coming home to roost."

On the morning of September 11, 2001, a few more chickens – along with some half-million dead Iraqi children – came home to roost in a very big way at the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center. Well, actually, a few of them seem to have nestled in at the Pentagon as well.

The Iraqi youngsters, all of them under 12, died as a predictable – in fact, widely predicted – result of the 1991 US "surgical" bombing of their country's water purification and sewage facilities, as well as other "infrastructural" targets upon which Iraq's civilian population depends for its very survival.

The Rest of The Story (http://www.darknightpress.org/index.php?i=news&c=recent&view=9&long=1)