new laptop came w vista crash at boot!

[Laz]

Ha! I just got a brand new toshiba laptop from ncix this morning, it came with vista premium (not that I had a choice) so when I boot up the laptop I got this window that said getting ready to start windows for the first time.... please wait then the screen went funny with horizonal bars across the bottom half of the screen. I let it continue for a few minutes, just in case it was something the os needed to work out to clear- but then when there was no apparent change in that screen I decided to remove the power and battery and try again. This thime I got the recovery options screen and tried to safe boot but it said it cannot complete installation of windows, and my only option is to reboot which puts me in a loop. WOW ! What a mess

[Mr. Apollo]

Return it for a new one.

[Voltaire]

Ok I just feel compelled to say this and feel free to ignore it, Buy a Mac . LOL .

[Mouse]

it came with vista premium (not that I had a choice)
Ignoring that last comment (but just for a few weeks yet) don't most vendors now offer XP as well??

[Ken_ver_1_5]

Ignoring that last comment (but just for a few weeks yet) don't most vendors now offer XP as well??

not all of them any more.
they get paid to push.... or so it seems

[Laz]

I need xp for to run some stuff I have, I can't afford a buggy os because I'm running some other things off of the laptop, so I'm laughing about this vista os I don't need- I'm trying to do a fresh install of xp pro but all the drivers on the toshiba site are for vista and I'm trying to break it down by finding xp drivers for each component- but then it seems like it's a secret over at toshiba to say what components are in the box they made. jeeze....

[Mouse]

Obviously Toshiba are just whores to Bill.

Not a good situation.

[Mr. Apollo]

Obviously Toshiba are just whores to Bill.

Not a good situation.
More likely that they don't want to provide support for an OS that will no longer be supported by the manufacturer in less then a year.

[DazedNConfuzed]

should have just exchanged it. Vista is better than most people make it seem.

plus i'm highly skeptical that you'll find XP drivers for each device on that machine, so for that...LOL@you

[Laz]

should have just exchanged it. Vista is better than most people make it seem.

plus i'm highly skeptical that you'll find XP drivers for each device on that machine, so for that...LOL@you


woof. balmers pet ?

yeah vista is so great it crashed on a new laptop built for it during installation. that's a lot of value.... my wife was saying it is lucky I know enough to get the laptop running, in xp, because it's all modular components and wondered about others who have it but aren't able to resolve it. but then we've been hearing these kind of stories for the past year now, I just thought I should add my personal experience as a warning for those considering spending so much extra hard earned money for a defective pos

[Mr. Apollo]

woof. balmers pet ?

yeah vista is so great it crashed on a new laptop built for it during installation. that's a lot of value.... my wife was saying it is lucky I know enough to get the laptop running, in xp, because it's all modular components and wondered about others who have it but aren't able to resolve it. but then we've been hearing these kind of stories for the past year now, I just thought I should add my personal experience as a warning for those considering spending so much extra hard earned money for a defective pos
What are you talking about. Vista is a good OS. Most of the problems I read about it are anecdotal or caused by people trying to run really old programs on it. The crash may be caused by a hardware problem to blame it on the OS is just silly. No one seems to remember that when XP came out people were talking about how awful it was and it was a piece of garbage. I've been using Vista oc a couple of machines since it came out and haven't run into any problems.

I have no problem with people being critical of something but when it's based on nothing more then "LOL M$" it's pretty silly.

[DazedNConfuzed]

woof. balmers pet ?

yeah vista is so great it crashed on a new laptop built for it during installation. that's a lot of value.... my wife was saying it is lucky I know enough to get the laptop running, in xp, because it's all modular components and wondered about others who have it but aren't able to resolve it. but then we've been hearing these kind of stories for the past year now, I just thought I should add my personal experience as a warning for those considering spending so much extra hard earned money for a defective pos
I once had a pair of pants where the zipper broke the day I bought them.

So from my personal experience, and my warning to those considering them.... stay away from pants.


and like I said, exchange it next time. Policies like those are in place for a reason.

[Voltaire]

All joking aside, I do run a windows OS laptop with Vista and l have had very few issues with it. I dual boot with XP though find Vista buggy with some hardware I use on it. I do prefer my macs but for various reasons I keep a Windows OS laptop. I use Vista Premium and my HP laptop, it is a newer machine but was bought before Vista was released and found it very happy with my laptop, I do have some issues and it takes far longer to boot up then I was expecting. I cannot imagine why a laptop built for Vista would do what it seems to be doing to you, seems like it was supposed to be built for Vista but it really wasn't.

My HP laptop was a a mid priced laptop and it came with XP and the upgrade for Vista It runs pretty good, I am not overly excited by it, I was expecting more from MS this time and it has nice eye candy but a real resource hog from what I been experiencing. I am somewhat biased but I think after SP 2 Vista could actually be a good operating system. Then again I don't run it all that often so maybe why I have found only a few annoying bugs that has to with hardware issues with items that are "supposed to be" Vista compatible. If I need to lug it around I rather have my HP get banged up or lost then my macs, just much cheaper to replace but if I need to work with it I just boot up to XP. I have tried Linux, Most varieties of Windows and just for me Mac meets my needs but I am not a gamer so it does make a difference what you need you computer for.

[Laz]

What are you talking about. Vista is a good OS. Most of the problems I read about it are anecdotal or caused by people trying to run really old programs on it. The crash may be caused by a hardware problem to blame it on the OS is just silly. No one seems to remember that when XP came out people were talking about how awful it was and it was a piece of garbage. I've been using Vista oc a couple of machines since it came out and haven't run into any problems.

I have no problem with people being critical of something but when it's based on nothing more then "LOL M$" it's pretty silly.


I wasn't trying to run anything on it; I was starting the notebook for the first time. And there are no hardware issues as XP is installed and runs just fine now.
Tell me, just how much does ms charge for a vista os on your system ? megabucks compared to xp.
what do you need to have it run smoothly ? 2gb ram.
and what is the point of an os anyways ? to run software. the os is not the end result, it is a tool; and putting pretty colours on your tools is for fools- I can't believe the number of folk out the that bought vista because they liked the look of it. you are paying extra for an os built to run drm while you use it. drm to control how you use the system you paid for. you paid extra for, not sony pictures or united artists etc. clear ? how can you or anyone who is not affiliated with ms monopoly tell me vista is a good os. you just ruin your credibility is all.

[ssadams]

I need xp for to run some stuff I have, I can't afford a buggy os because I'm running some other things off of the laptop, so I'm laughing about this vista os I don't need- I'm trying to do a fresh install of xp pro but all the drivers on the toshiba site are for vista and I'm trying to break it down by finding xp drivers for each component- but then it seems like it's a secret over at toshiba to say what components are in the box they made. jeeze....

just went through that process replacing vista with xp on my Toshiba laptop. I did get most of the drivers from Toshiba's website and everything is working, even though in the device manager some items are missing drivers

[DazedNConfuzed]

what do you need to have it run smoothly ? 2gb ram.


wrong.

1GB to this date with it running as fast as the first day I bought it.

[Mr. Apollo]

I wasn't trying to run anything on it; I was starting the notebook for the first time. And there are no hardware issues as XP is installed and runs just fine now.
Tell me, just how much does ms charge for a vista os on your system ? megabucks compared to xp.
what do you need to have it run smoothly ? 2gb ram.
and what is the point of an os anyways ? to run software. the os is not the end result, it is a tool; and putting pretty colours on your tools is for fools- I can't believe the number of folk out the that bought vista because they liked the look of it. you are paying extra for an os built to run drm while you use it. drm to control how you use the system you paid for. you paid extra for, not sony pictures or united artists etc. clear ? how can you or anyone who is not affiliated with ms monopoly tell me vista is a good os. you just ruin your credibility is all.Windows Vista Home Premium is $299.99, Windows XP Homw Edition is $249.99. A $50 difference is not "megabucks" especially considering you're getting media center which XP Home didn't come with.

1 GB of RAM will run Vista just fine. That said a lot of programs have 1 GB of RAM as the "minimum requirement" and recommend 2 GB of RAM. It's not just Vista that works better with more memory it's everything. With RAM being as cheap as it is why wouldn't you put in as much as your could?

DRM is there becuase the studios want it. The want to enforce their copyrights and understandable want to prevent copyright infringement. Assuming you buy everything legally and in accordance with the Terms of Use, DRM is not an issue.

[Laz]

Vista Premium doesn't do fax or remote desktop which xp pro does; ultimate does it for $499- (guess you got the money to throw around)- so thats twice the price of xp pro. vista chuggs along and yeah, 1gb will run it, but everywhere you read people saying the best perfomance boost to vista is to move from 1gb to 2gb. an extra $100 for a good matched pair of notebook ddr2 ram. but why quibble ? I don't care what suits you, but I take issue with your assertion "assuming you buy everything legally and in accordance with terms of use drm is not an issue"- I guess you are the kind of fellow that doesn't mind wiretapping, or revenue canada examining your bank records, or vista checking your digital rights on your system, because you are the patron saint of virgins and have naught to hide; no file sharing or anything right ? you don't mind proving your innocence in court ? well I do mind, I am innocent until otherwise proven and that is my right here- and I can tell you if you think drm is ok then you are helping what will prove to be one of the greatest blights on civilization in the next millenia- the control of free expression. for example,what would christianity be if the romans were able to control its disemination and spread with something like drm ? almost all knowledge is moving to digital media and drm is the biggest threat to that and mankind. you might think drm is small potatoes, but it has very very important implications and i wish more people would just think about things for a minute instead of letting themselves be hyponotised by some flashing pretty colours. if you want pretty colours buy a colouring book. if you want to use a computer for what you bought it for, don't buy vista.

[Mr. Apollo]

You're not making any sense. XP Home is $249, Vista Home Premium is $299. It is only $50 more. XP Pro is $399 Vista Ultimate is $499, $100 more. Vista Business, a better comparison to XP Pro, is $379, $20 less.

Of course I file share but I'm not stupid and think it's some God given right and how dare the manufactuers try and stop me. It's money lost to them so of course they're going to try and prevent way of stopping copyright violations; anyone in their position would.

[Thaiwoo]

Vista works just fine. As Mr. Apollo said, many problems were do to hardware / driver issues in the early stages.

I upgraded to Vista since it came free with my PC and I haven't looked back. I had some software issues with programs not working with it and eventually managed to replace them with newer and better stuff.

I upgraded by making it a dual boot system with XP and I haven't gone back to XP in months. My next laptop will be with Vista and should it have the problems like yours did, back to the store it goes until they give a machine that works.

Why buy a system with Vista to spend more money on an old OS called XP?

[wazzzy]

I fit is a new lap top, you would think the OS would be installed and tested prior to delivering it to the customer.

[Thaiwoo]

I fit is a new lap top, you would think the OS would be installed and tested prior to delivering it to the customer.

That's why he should have just brought it back.

[Mr. Apollo]

I fit is a new lap top, you would think the OS would be installed and tested prior to delivering it to the customer.All computer, regardless of whether they're Mac or Windows, don't have the OS fully installed. The first time they are started up buy the comsumer completes the installation.

[batkinson001]

there are xp versions of the toshiba software, i found some for my laptop in the exact same place where i get my vista driver updates.

http://209.167.114.38/support/techsupport/ln_TechSupport.asp

in step 1 (capture1.jpg) you can find the info for your family/model/part number under the base of your laptop.

click GO

step 2 (see capture2.jpg), click on the image that says "drivers downloads"

step 3: select your OS from the red drop down list to the right (capture3.jpg)

NOTE: VISTA may not like the windows updater for the bios flash program, it certainly didn't like it when I tried to update mine with the most recent updater (even thought he 2 previous ones worked perfectly). Basically, unless you really really have to, don't update the BIOS!

also if there is a common date shared among the listed updates then they are most likely the versions that shipped with your system, look for the ones that are more recent to download.