all dried up

[jamie]

My god this Forum has just died....

It used to be so lively here, now dried all up..
I think it's because it seems to crash to an unrecoverable state, and all Overclocking info is gone and to much trouble to retype it..

[Mouse]

Maybe, just maybe, people are becoming happy with their system speed, and see no need to screw with it??

[Dan]

i'll be postin when i get my new system don't you worry. its a couple months from now but its coming ;)

[Mike]

The entire forum itself is almost dead.

[tritium4ever]

I've been way too absorbed with WoW, to the extent where I don't even really keep up with the developments in the OCing scene anymore.

[jamie]

Nice to see your still alive buddy..lol
Becareful my brother locked himself in his room for 2 years playing Everquest, lost a girlfriend in the process..:mbx:


I've been way too absorbed with WoW, to the extent where I don't even really keep up with the developments in the OCing scene anymore.

[lbjgh]

I was disappointed with the latest crash... lost a lot of good posts. Plus, not much new stuff out there recently.

It should be interesting this winter when the Intel/Apple frankenputer start showing up... I wonder if people will start o/c'n 'em.

[AMD]

Nobody posts tutorials, answers to FAQs and general information threads anymore simply because this board is unreliable. What's the point if data's going to be lost at least once a year?

I appreciate the effort put into maintenance of the board and acknowledge that it's a free service, but I believe that it's best to either do it right or don't it it at all. (referring to backup - that's what's missing - Server issues are inevitable)

I made a couple of posts in the FAQ section a few months ago but they aren't worth retyping.

[Limey32]

Nobody posts tutorials, answers to FAQs and general information threads anymore simply because this board is unreliable. What's the point if data's going to be lost at least once a year?

I appreciate the effort put into maintenance of the board and acknowledge that it's a free service, but I believe that it's best to either do it right or don't it it at all. (referring to backup - that's what's missing - Server issues are inevertable)

I made a couple of posts in the FAQ section a few months ago but they aren't worth retyping.

Agreed. Cheap shot I know, but 'practice what you preach' comes to mind when it comes to this board. ;)

[Deb]

The forum is here, your choice whether to use it or not...It's getting pretty tiresome rehashing all this stuff again :rrg:

[Limey32]

Truth hurts we know. But when your in the 'public eye', preaching weekly about backup, backup, backup.. you should be prepared to follow your own advice. Why can't you take a little knock? Don't get so upset :) We always come back, but the truth is, what many people have said in the past. Hard to worry about posting meaningful and informative info, when it might just all be lost in the morning. If it upsets you that sometimes you guys get called on what is considered your area of expertise, then sorry. But it is justified. You simply DON'T back up your data enough. Ah well.

[Mouse]

What about the word FREE don't you guys understand ?

And is inevertable a new word of your creation?

[Swordfish]

Truth hurts we know. But when your in the 'public eye', preaching weekly about backup, backup, backup.. you should be prepared to follow your own advice. Why can't you take a little knock? Don't get so upset :) We always come back, but the truth is, what many people have said in the past. Hard to worry about posting meaningful and informative info, when it might just all be lost in the morning. If it upsets you that sometimes you guys get called on what is considered your area of expertise, then sorry. But it is justified. You simply DON'T back up your data enough. Ah well.

what would you rather have.....them not backing up what data they had or no board at all? THINK about it

and FYI were not turning this thread into a huge dabate.

Thanks

[Deb]

Truth hurts we know. But when your in the 'public eye', preaching weekly about backup, backup, backup.. you should be prepared to follow your own advice. Why can't you take a little knock? Don't get so upset :) We always come back, but the truth is, what many people have said in the past. Hard to worry about posting meaningful and informative info, when it might just all be lost in the morning. If it upsets you that sometimes you guys get called on what is considered your area of expertise, then sorry. But it is justified. You simply DON'T back up your data enough. Ah well.
IF...you knew me well enough, you'd know I have no problem with the truth or the little knocks. IF you had read any of the previous posts regarding what happened here, you'd know that there were backups but unknown to us, the corruption was also within those backups. Making mistakes while being in the public eye is far from abnormal, comes down to the fact that we are all human. My real question is this: If it's so pointless to post here, then why are we even having this conversation yet again?

[Rustynut]

Rather than put the responsibility on someone elses' shoulders, does it not stand to reason that if you find some information you feel is important, you ought to copy it and save it to a file on your own system? That way should it be needed in the future you could always be the "White Knight" and re - post it for the benefit of someone else that asks for help with a similar problem??? :rrg:

[Dr.Dan]

You know, most people don't even search for their answers anyway, so I don't see the big deal with all the old posts cleaned out :rrg:

And I can't believe that people are still thinking there wasn't a back up... Deb has stated many times there was and it was not usable.
I guess that proves that people don't read either :gaa:

Oh well... pick up the pieces and move on...

[Limey32]

LOL. My Lord, one of the reasons this board works well is because it is tight knit, but sometimes, just sometimes.. being so tight removes objectivity. Why am I being blasted for pointing out that computer store owners, tv show personalities, and web site hosts are not doing their do? I Think this site is great, please don't get me wrong. I simply agreed with an above post, and expanded.. which many people have done in the past, but suprise.. they were all lost. lol. I have watched I believe EVERY ep of TCM on tv, that I could watch back in the day, and downloaded or watched live on the feed.. Even participated in one. I'm not a TCM hater. But it is odd that this site dies so often. It is the equal of a car mechanic having his car poop out on the highway because he held off changing the oil. There is no excuse. I know, I'm horrible.. Whatever.

[Limey32]

Rather than put the responsibility on someone elses' shoulders, does it not stand to reason that if you find some information you feel is important, you ought to copy it and save it to a file on your own system? That way should it be needed in the future you could always be the "White Knight" and re - post it for the benefit of someone else that asks for help with a similar problem??? :rrg:


So your saying it is MY job, as a user on the forum, to backup everything useful and be ready to repost it when there is a crash?

[Limey32]

You know, most people don't even search for their answers anyway, so I don't see the big deal with all the old posts cleaned out :rrg:

And I can't believe that people are still thinking there wasn't a back up... Deb has stated many times there was and it was not usable.
I guess that proves that people don't read either :gaa:

Oh well... pick up the pieces and move on...


What that MEANS is, that the backups weren't kept in a reliable place. They shouldn't be trusting other people to do it.

[Avril33]

It is my understanding that this forum started up a long time ago with a different group.. then some members of that group changed etc.. regardless.. when starting up a forum such as this.. especially dealing with what is it.. oh yes.. Technical issues involving computers.. LOL :D they took on the responsibility of maintaining it, not too mention all the other goodies.. and I do not disagree with Limey32.. I seem to recall the words 'practice what you preach' coming from the creators and leaders of this forum on more than one occasion.. it stands to reason that they should adhere to their own advice.. it is not our responsibility to maintain this forum but those who took it on when deciding to create it... yadda yadda yadda.. you are not stupid.. you get the picture :)

[Avril33]

IF...you knew me well enough, you'd know I have no problem with the truth or the little knocks. IF you had read any of the previous posts regarding what happened here, you'd know that there were backups but unknown to us, the corruption was also within those backups. Making mistakes while being in the public eye is far from abnormal, comes down to the fact that we are all human. My real question is this: If it's so pointless to post here, then why are we even having this conversation yet again?

It becomes pointless to post here when 'posts' are being removed because people cannot take 'knocks' etc.. and it has happened on more than one bloomin occasion.. and by you for instance.. :(

[AMD]

And is inevertable a new word of your creation?

fixed ;)

[Avril33]

what would you rather have.....them not backing up what data they had or no board at all? THINK about it

and FYI were not turning this thread into a huge dabate.

Thanks

What the hell is wrong with a good healthy debate anyway? Gee whiz.. is everyone afraid of voicing an opinion or hearing someone out? LOL

[Limey32]

No, the fear is the mods are ban happy. Oh my, someone is causing a stir.. We better ban him/her and have a tea and crumpet. They dare not disrupt the perfect world. All I want is someone with some time on this board, besides me.. which I would be up to about 5k posts by now if it weren't for the crashes, to back me up. It is actually kinda funny. Anybody heard from Steven lately? He kept stuff grounded.

[Rustynut]

So your saying it is MY job, as a user on the forum, to backup everything useful and be ready to repost it when there is a crash?
Seems to me that if you have an answer to a specific problem you would post it for the benefit of others. I would hope that if you had an answer to a question you had, you would save it so that you had easy access to it and also I would hope that you would return the favour should someone else require that same information if they had a total failure of their system.

I didn't say that it WAS YOUR JOB as a user to backup everything you deemed useful, rather it was a mere suggestion as a neighbourly thing to do.
Personally I never thought of this board as a data base that HAD to be maintained fully by the owners. I always was under the impression this was a board for users to assist one another when problems arise and it was my intent to portray that thought in the previous post.

[Deb]

Anybody heard from Steven lately? He kept stuff grounded.You're kidding me right? Please show me any instance where he ever maintained any part of this forum...sheesh........

[Deb]

It becomes pointless to post here when 'posts' are being removed because people cannot take 'knocks' etc.. and it has happened on more than one bloomin occasion.. and by you for instance.. :(What posts have I removed due to criticism?? People, if it's pointless to post here then why are you posting? A simple but yet, unanswered question

[Swordfish]

What the hell is wrong with a good healthy debate anyway? Gee whiz.. is everyone afraid of voicing an opinion or hearing someone out? LOL

Did I say that there was anything wrong with it?? You need to re read the post Your entitled to voice your own opinion I couldnt care less, but I cant be bothered moderating moderating a flame war

Funny how all of a sudden I see you posting in the over clocking forum. :rolleyes:

[Swordfish]

What posts have I removed due to criticism?? People, if it's pointless to post here then why are you posting? A simple but yet, unanswered question

Exactley funny thing though they cant see your point

[Swordfish]

So your saying it is MY job, as a user on the forum, to backup everything useful and be ready to repost it when there is a crash?

He didnt say that, hes saying if your information is so important that you half to complain to us that its lost copy and paste it to note pad or word and save it to your hard drive.

[Taz]

Wow.... Lets face it sh*t happens boards crash, data bases get corrupted, some parts of a forum slow to a crawl.....people get busy with other things, loose interest maybe change their focus or simply don't have time. But hey you know what Life goes on, if everyone that has posted here(incuding myself) had contributed some usefull info about O/C'ing instead of complaining we'd be off to a good start rebuilding this forum to its once grand splendor.

[Mouse]

"If you can find a better car.......buy it."

[tritium4ever]

Forum drama aside, the whole scene just isn't quite as exciting as I used to find it. I tend to care more whenever I hit the point where I need to upgrade something, but as it is my system hasn't changed since this past February (when my old S754 mobo died and I went and upgraded everything...S939, PCI-E, the works) and I'm still very satisfied with its performance. But it's really just the confluence of World of Warcraft, plus the fact that I stopped doing hardware reviews, that I no longer care as much about tweaking and overclocking and benchmarking.

The day I quit WoW is the day I'll probably get back into the OCing scene in a big way.

[Dr.Dan]

What that MEANS is, that the backups weren't kept in a reliable place. They shouldn't be trusting other people to do it.

I don't see how you can't understand it. This was the rundown of what was going on at the time and the question was asked "what to do?"
http://www.lamplite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36

Seems you didn't understand what was being said then and still don't now :(

They had a back up... when restored it was found that it contained the same corruption that caused the crashing in the first place.
By the poll results, most said to 'start fresh' and that's what they did.

Now I would have prefered to save as much as possible and carry on from there, and that's what I voted for.... but that's not what happened so all we can do is carry on :)

[Avril33]

Did I say that there was anything wrong with it?? You need to re read the post Your entitled to voice your own opinion I couldnt care less, but I cant be bothered moderating moderating a flame war

Funny how all of a sudden I see you posting in the over clocking forum. :rolleyes:

Nothing sudden about it.. if you had backed up information you would know that this was not the only moment in time where I posted in any forum.. especially the Over clocking one :) :D In fact, you have graced me with your presence and your two cents on more than one occasion in here.. :) I am kind of bummed that you do not remember LOL

[Avril33]

You're kidding me right? Please show me any instance where he ever maintained any part of this forum...sheesh........

Kind of difficult now without backed up information isn't it..? Oh wait.. there is a method to your madness.. you know darn well he cannot prove it because of lost information.. :) sounds like a sore spot with you.. how come?

[Swordfish]

Nothing sudden about it.. if you had backed up information you would know that this was not the only moment in time where I posted in any forum.. especially the Over clocking one :) :D In fact, you have graced me with your presence and your two cents on more than one occasion in here.. :) I am kind of bummed that you do not remember LOL

Huh?

Since when Am I responsible for backing up the information here?? I don't have anything to do with the daily operations of this board ...the board owners do who are Les and Deb.

Ask them about it

Give your head a shake. I think what your trying to do is manipulate the thread to try and get my goat

Guess what it isn't going to work

:)

[Swordfish]

Kind of difficult now without backed up information isn't it..? Oh wait.. there is a method to your madness.. you know darn well he cannot prove it because of lost information.. :) sounds like a sore spot with you.. how come?

A sore spot?? more like your tring to stir the pot.

[Avril33]

What posts have I removed due to criticism?? People, if it's pointless to post here then why are you posting? A simple but yet, unanswered question

Perhaps they still hold a modicum of hope.. faith that someone will get off their duff and swollow their pathetic pride and allow everyone with the God given right to speak their bloomin minds.. :) without fear of being banned.. being deleted etc.. I mean.. if there is apparent 'real' abuse.. by all means.. moderate to your hearts content.. but if someone doesn't share the same opinion and is seemingly passionate about it.. they should not be banned or deleted etc.. :) The board was a great place to vent, post and just be part of a community 'online' that one could be proud of.. now it is filled with unjustifiably self righteous people looking for a power trip or what not :)

Deb.. your question is not necessarily a simple one because it is filled with holes.. :) Instead of running around everything.. getting all hot headed.. listen to your community.. allow differences of opinions to the table.. surely even a computer tech forum can be open minded :) You have banned me once before for not sharing your opinion.. I was not abusive or profane in anyway.. but you banned me because I was passionate in my beliefs.. :) In fact I believe your words (in response to how you could be so casual about banning people) were this.. "We have this nifty little tool that can pin point your location using your I.P. address, I will ban you if you do not cease this discussion right now" If this rings a bell.. then I have just given you an example of how you deleted or banned due to 'criticism' :) If it does not ring a bell well.. difficult to prove now that there is nothing backed up huh? :)

We all need to relax :)

[Avril33]

A sore spot?? more like your tring to stir the pot.

Quite the opposite actually.. that was not the first time she made such comments regarding Steve.. am curious.. I am naturally inquisitive :)

[Avril33]

Huh?

Since when Am I responsible for backing up the information here?? I don't have anything to do with the daily operations of this board ...the board owners do who are Les and Deb.

Ask them about it

Give your head a shake. I think what your trying to do is manipulate the thread to try and get my goat

Guess what it isn't going to work

:)

A little grammar mistake.. I meant.. if you had 'backed up information' to use as a common frame of reference.. then you would know.. get it? LOL

without actually trying m'dear.. I got your goat :) You responded didn't you? :)

[Avril33]

Huh?

Since when Am I responsible for backing up the information here?? I don't have anything to do with the daily operations of this board ...the board owners do who are Les and Deb.

Ask them about it

Give your head a shake. I think what your trying to do is manipulate the thread to try and get my goat

Guess what it isn't going to work

:)

You do not remember me.. guess you are a busy fella huh? :) Ah well.. :)

[Swordfish]

I rest my case :)

[Avril33]

A sore spot?? more like your tring to stir the pot.

Well.. if I get banned.. or deleted.. I stirred the pot too much LOL

[Avril33]

I rest my case :)

Afraid not.. not even close.. :) but definitely a good clean try :)

[Taz]

A little grammar mistake.. I meant.. if you had 'backed up information' to use as a common frame of reference.. then you would know.. get it? LOL

without actually trying m'dear.. I got your goat :) You responded didn't you? :)

If you were really paying attention to the thread you would know thatthere was a backup but it also ended up being corrupted. The members were asked by form of a poll what should be done http://www.lamplite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36

[Avril33]

If you were really paying attention to the thread you would know thatthere was a backup but it also ended up being corrupted. The members were asked by form of a poll what should be done http://www.lamplite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36

If you had been paying attention.. you would know it is not really about that issue with me anymore.. :) does not matter.. I made my point loud and clear for those I intended.. :) Thanks for the info anyway :)

[Taz]

If you had been paying attention.. you would know it is not really about that issue with me anymore.. :) does not matter.. I made my point loud and clear for those I intended.. :) Thanks for the info anyway :)

But it was the issue that was raised before it got personal, and your very welcome for the info.

[Deb]

Perhaps they still hold a modicum of hope.. faith that someone will get off their duff and swollow their pathetic pride and allow everyone with the God given right to speak their bloomin minds.. :) without fear of being banned.. being deleted etc.. I mean.. if there is apparent 'real' abuse.. by all means.. moderate to your hearts content.. but if someone doesn't share the same opinion and is seemingly passionate about it.. they should not be banned or deleted etc.. :) The board was a great place to vent, post and just be part of a community 'online' that one could be proud of.. now it is filled with unjustifiably self righteous people looking for a power trip or what not :)

Deb.. your question is not necessarily a simple one because it is filled with holes.. :) Instead of running around everything.. getting all hot headed.. listen to your community.. allow differences of opinions to the table.. surely even a computer tech forum can be open minded :) You have banned me once before for not sharing your opinion.. I was not abusive or profane in anyway.. but you banned me because I was passionate in my beliefs.. :) In fact I believe your words (in response to how you could be so casual about banning people) were this.. "We have this nifty little tool that can pin point your location using your I.P. address, I will ban you if you do not cease this discussion right now" If this rings a bell.. then I have just given you an example of how you deleted or banned due to 'criticism' :) If it does not ring a bell well.. difficult to prove now that there is nothing backed up huh? :)

We all need to relax :)
Yes, we all need to relax, you moreso than anyone else. You seem to think that this is all extremely upsetting to me and that I'm a hothead. In fact, I've got my feet up and doing my own thing, relaxing. As far as Steven is concerned, you really have no idea but it's really not your business anyway unless you decide to call him up and converse with him. As far as me banning you in the past, no I don't remember what you've quoted me as saying because I never said it and I never banned you. So...before shooting off your mouth, make sure you've got the right target. Seems you are the one with some kind of vendetta, not any of us. Also seems like you were just itching for a thread like this. And yes, as said above, why are you trying your damned hardest to make this personal with everyone here?

[Swordfish]

You do not remember me.. guess you are a busy fella huh? :) Ah well.. :)

Why not enlighten us all who are you I mean who did you used to be?

[Avril33]

Yes, we all need to relax, you moreso than anyone else. You seem to think that this is all extremely upsetting to me and that I'm a hothead. In fact, I've got my feet up and doing my own thing, relaxing. As far as Steven is concerned, you really have no idea but it's really not your business anyway unless you decide to call him up and converse with him. As far as me banning you in the past, no I don't remember what you've quoted me as saying because I never said it and I never banned you. So...before shooting off your mouth, make sure you've got the right target. Seems you are the one with some kind of vendetta, not any of us. Also seems like you were just itching for a thread like this. And yes, as said above, why are you trying your damned hardest to make this personal with everyone here?

Me relax? :) Believe me.. I am not upset at all.. :) I do have the right 'target' as you so quaintly put it.. you even responded to my e-mail regarding my 'banning' telling me exactly why you banned me etc.. so I have no doubts in my mind but.. perhaps I gave you the wrong impression.. I am not mad about it all but.. when talking about target practice LOL I have been around long enough to know and have seen people being let go for a lot less than what I am doing now.. :)

[Avril33]

Yes, we all need to relax, you moreso than anyone else. You seem to think that this is all extremely upsetting to me and that I'm a hothead. In fact, I've got my feet up and doing my own thing, relaxing. As far as Steven is concerned, you really have no idea but it's really not your business anyway unless you decide to call him up and converse with him. As far as me banning you in the past, no I don't remember what you've quoted me as saying because I never said it and I never banned you. So...before shooting off your mouth, make sure you've got the right target. Seems you are the one with some kind of vendetta, not any of us. Also seems like you were just itching for a thread like this. And yes, as said above, why are you trying your damned hardest to make this personal with everyone here?

You know what I was trying to accomplish or prove.. which is why you haven't done it yet :)

[jamie]

Wow sorry about this thread getting out of hand..

I was mearly pointing out mainly to the people that use the OC'ing part of this once great forum, that it's becoming a bit of a nuisance to repost all the same threads that we have entered...
Not once not twice but possibly 3 times if I remember correctly..
I did not mean to point the finger at anyone, I was just voiceing my opinion is all..
Some have taken my first post as a stepping stone to wage a personnel vendetta on certain individuals on this board..sorry for that..

[Avril33]

Wow sorry about this thread getting out of hand..

I was mearly pointing out mainly to the people that use the OC'ing part of this once great forum, that it's becoming a bit of a nuisance to repost all the same threads that we have entered...
Not once not twice but possibly 3 times if I remember correctly..
I did not mean to point the finger at anyone, I was just voiceing my opinion is all..
Some have taken my first post as a stepping stone to wage a personnel vendetta on certain individuals on this board..sorry for that..

Nobody is blaming you.. we were only voicing our opinions as well.. :) Relax.. you are not responsible for other peoples actions :) I really do not have a vendetta against anyone.. just making a point but even if I did.. you are not responsible for the choices I make or the opinions I voice :)

[Tess]

I find it very amusing that you have extensive opinions, want your questions answered and your opinions validated. However, after you elude to being here *before* obviously under a different disguise, so obviously different than the ones you have now, you refuse to answer or even acknowledge the question was asked, you just ramble on.

On that premise alone, as far as I am concerned you can just ramble to your hearts content, justifying anything to you is clearly a totally wasted effort.

[Deb]

Me relax? :) Believe me.. I am not upset at all.. :) I do have the right 'target' as you so quaintly put it.. you even responded to my e-mail regarding my 'banning' telling me exactly why you banned me etc.. so I have no doubts in my mind but.. perhaps I gave you the wrong impression.. I am not mad about it all but.. when talking about target practice LOL I have been around long enough to know and have seen people being let go for a lot less than what I am doing now.. :)Ooooo, so now the game is afoot. You think you've got one up on me. Now I'm supposed to trudge back through all my stuff and find out who you really are. I already have an idea who you are and have for a long time but the thing is, I don't really care enough to track you down. If you need to prove something to everyone from all of this then come on out and show your true colours. If not, stop your nonsense and grow up. As was stated before, no one is keeping you hostage here. If you don't like how the board operates and how we moderate it, then leave here...buy your own damn forum software and open up your own board.

One question to you: Is it just a coincidence that you and Limey32 have the same ip address...no I didn't think so... and just for the record, you were banned by someone else, It was just me you came crying to and I answered you.

PS: To the original poster of this thread:

You didn't start anything here, your thread was hijacked by someone who has a sore spot for being previously banned.

[Yogi]

Deb,

Do yourself a favour and don't waste your time responding to Avril33. She's only looking for an audience. No sense adding fuel to the fire.

Just keep on doing what you're doing. Life's too short :)

[Deb]

Deb,

Do yourself a favour and don't waste your time responding to Avril33. She's only looking for an audience. No sense adding fuel to the fire.

Just keep on doing what you're doing. Life's too short :)
You're right there...I have much bigger things to worry about, this Wednesday being the biggest with Les's sister's bone marrow transplant to combat leukemia. Moving along now.....

[Limey32]

Beg pardon Queen? Now your lumping me in with it? My Lord, you really are clueless. So I am the same person as Avril33 now eh? Hmm. You busted me. I am also Mista X, Sadam and Adolf.

[Avril33]

Ooooo, so now the game is afoot. You think you've got one up on me. Now I'm supposed to trudge back through all my stuff and find out who you really are. I already have an idea who you are and have for a long time but the thing is, I don't really care enough to track you down. If you need to prove something to everyone from all of this then come on out and show your true colours. If not, stop your nonsense and grow up. As was stated before, no one is keeping you hostage here. If you don't like how the board operates and how we moderate it, then leave here...buy your own damn forum software and open up your own board.

One question to you: Is it just a coincidence that you and Limey32 have the same ip address...no I didn't think so... and just for the record, you were banned by someone else, It was just me you came crying to and I answered you.


PS: To the original poster of this thread:

You didn't start anything here, your thread was hijacked by someone who has a sore spot for being previously banned.

Uh oh.. don't look.. my I.P. address is showing :D actually.. I do not have a sore spot.. my only intention within this thread was to see how quickly I could liven it up.. :) I succeeded :) Nothing wrong with inflaming ones passion for something... and like it or not, the key to excitement is adding a little life into the proverbial party if you will :) Just because I do not agree with how something is run or in this case, moderated etc.. does not mean I do not want to be here :) hense the differences in opinion :) Yogi was not entirely wrong but not for the reasons he/she is thinking.........................

As for Limey32 and me having the same I.P. address.. well.. you and I both know there are many reasons for that and the one you are thinking about.. I assure you is not the case.. can you figure it out.. ? Do you even want to..? No.. you do have more to worry about.. if I had known about the illness in the family.. I never would have been so tacky as to pick this moment in time to start a debate.. I am not heartless.. please accept my deepest sympathies and compassion and hope that Les's sister wins the battle.. my thoughts and prayers are with her

FYI... I am in the database for a possible bone marrow donor and I strongly recommend that anyone else who hasn't done so.. register.. it is not life threatening to you and will ultimately save a life.