Ubuntu 8:10

[edcouch]

Hi folks, I have now switched over completely to Ubuntu 8:10. I got so sick of windows and their stupid registry and file problems and all the extra aps you need to keep it running. Plus of course the constant threat of viruses!
This disrto of linux seems to have gotten it all right, it's user friendly and I can now do anything in Ubuntu that I can in Windows and it is all FREEEEEE!

[Limey32]

No question.. slick piece of free code to be sure! Welcome. :)

[DazedNConfuzed]

OP sounds a bit ignorant towards Linux. Probably wow'd by all the flashy gimmicks of the GUI.

then when he wants to install a program he has to google how-to. granted not hard, but .exe's on Windows are almost self-explanatory.

[DazedNConfuzed]

or when he wants to install from source code, that's another trip to google.

lol

what happens when your ethernet card doesn't work and you have to install drivers for a new one? lol

[DazedNConfuzed]

oh and Linux is still prone to virii. that's another myth.

[Tim]

Oh FUD.

what happens when your ethernet card doesn't work in wndows lol?

I've heard of so many disasters and crisises in windows over the years, there's nothing wrong at all in running a nice solid OS that's free and actually fun to use. Ubuntu is a nice one.

I have Ubuntu studio, very nice. They do likely what most people need them to do, more people should use linux. If you have a peecee, it's a great free way to ditch microslop.

[smirnoff]

It is a great piece of code.

But it still suffers from the same issues all linux versions have when it comes to user friendly and programs.

One can't just install a new games and expect it to run.
Once issues like this are gotten around watch linux becomes hot as the sun.

[cdnLilWolf]

DazednConfuzed seems to have some concerns. Let me put them to rest.

To your first post. Can you say Aero? Is that not supposed to be a flashy GUI? Yes, Compiz-Fusion is far superior, I mean really, can Windows make is snow? ;)

Unless you buy the compiler, you can't install from source on Windows at all! Neither of us has time to get into what is wrong with the Registry.

Tim answer the other part of your second post.

Lastly, PC's are prone to virii. Unless you're a moron and run as root all the time whilst indiscriminately downloading crapware/malware from the internet you are not going to get a Linux virus anytime soon. Yes, it is possible to get hacked, yes, in there has been a Linux/Unix virus or two you could conceivably have gotten one.

The point is that right now it is highly improbable that anyone would get one.

PS. Don't get me started on what is wrong with Mickeysoft.

[ssadams]

I just tried it on my laptop and its working great. The good thing for beginners is the Root account is not accessible by default.

[DazedNConfuzed]

I was basically just making a statement(well...several of them) where it seemed OP was making Linux seem like the end all be all of operating systems. It's not.

But it's definitely making more PC users notice. And that isn't a bad thing.

[DazedNConfuzed]

oh and I have no concerns, i'm as knowledgable with linux/unix as I am with windows.

[Ken_ver_1_5]

I was basically just making a statement(well...several of them) where it seemed OP was making Linux seem like the end all be all of operating systems. It's not.

But it's definitely making more PC users notice. And that isn't a bad thing.

You mean... it isn't? ;)

[DazedNConfuzed]

nevAR!



I suggest changing your default runlevel via inittab to 6, and watch your computer reboot faster. lolz

[cdnLilWolf]

I was basically just making a statement(well...several of them) where it seemed OP was making Linux seem like the end all be all of operating systems. It's not.

But it's definitely making more PC users notice. And that isn't a bad thing.

Your statements were a bit misleading at best and inaccurate at worst. If you are a hard core gamer, Linux will never be your OS of choice (at least in the foreseeable future). If you just want to surf the web, write some letters do some home accounting, it is at least as good as (any other embellishment is opinion) any other OS.

From a networking and security standpoint, I would venture that it is vastly superior to Windows. However, that is my opinion and any debate about that should probably begin with another thread, but I digress.

Ubuntu 8.10 and it's variants are considered one of the better Linux distros to get your feet wet with. Minimal effort and configuration (if any) is needed beyond the installation to have a "working" OS on your desktop. If a user is happy with that, why would you care what they say about their Windows experience?

[smirnoff]

Iam sorry but no matter how you butter it up its still far from user friendly.

You have a driver issue and its as big a pain in the butt as any other linux.

You need to run certain software you can forget it.

Its not ubuntu fault by itself but the general issues that plague linux.

Tell these issues are addressed it always going to be a also ran and nothing more.
Once they are addressed though we are going to see a major shift in the os game.
Its a step above the other linux versions but its not addressed those issues like all the other linux os haven't.

[linuxguru]

Hi folks, I have now switched over completely to Ubuntu 8:10. I got so sick of windows and their stupid registry and file problems and all the extra aps you need to keep it running. Plus of course the constant threat of viruses!
This disrto of linux seems to have gotten it all right, it's user friendly and I can now do anything in Ubuntu that I can in Windows and it is all FREEEEEE!

Nice to see another happy convert! I see from the other posts a lot of people have strong opinions one side or the other about Linux. Stay with it!

I run it on a few machines and the Linux forums are a good source of information if you need help with anything.

This post is from my laptop wireless using Mandriva Linux.

[cdnLilWolf]

Iam sorry but no matter how you butter it up its still far from user friendly.
You have a driver issue and its as big a pain in the butt as any other linux.

Firstly, I'm not "buttering" it up as you say, just pointing out some realities. Using the application examples I offered, many distros are just as easy if not easier to install and run as XP or Vista. Having said that, I will grant you that if you spend your tech dollars at stores like Future shop et al, then yes, you might have troubles with drivers for some hardware like printers and modems. However, the list is getting shorter.



You need to run certain software you can forget it.

Exactly what does that mean?



Its not ubuntu fault by itself but the general issues that plague linux.

General issues? Like the UAC, DRM, drivers? Those kinds of issues? ;)



Tell these issues are addressed it always going to be a also ran and nothing more.
Once they are addressed though we are going to see a major shift in the os game.
Its a step above the other linux versions but its not addressed those issues like all the other linux os haven't.

I would never suggest that Linux is without problems, but each individual has priorities and aggravation does have a price tag. Edcouch simply said that his are now taken care of. The issues (that you incidentally don't speak of) in his case (and my own) are no longer relevant or of minimal consequence.

[DazedNConfuzed]

Your statements were a bit misleading at best and inaccurate at worst. If you are a hard core gamer, Linux will never be your OS of choice (at least in the foreseeable future). If you just want to surf the web, write some letters do some home accounting, it is at least as good as (any other embellishment is opinion) any other OS.



My statements began with picking on linux beginners on how they don't know how to install software. Either from source or through software packages. It's impossible to deny that most first time users don't know how to install software....sooo...i'm not quite sure what's misleading or inaccurate about that.

[smirnoff]

Firstly, I'm not "buttering" it up as you say, just pointing out some realities. Using the application examples I offered, many distros are just as easy if not easier to install and run as XP or Vista. Having said that, I will grant you that if you spend your tech dollars at stores like Future shop et al, then yes, you might have troubles with drivers for some hardware like printers and modems. However, the list is getting shorter.


Exactly what does that mean?


General issues? Like the UAC, DRM, drivers? Those kinds of issues? ;)



I would never suggest that Linux is without problems, but each individual has priorities and aggravation does have a price tag. Edcouch simply said that his are now taken care of. The issues (that you incidentally don't speak of) in his case (and my own) are no longer relevant or of minimal consequence.

That is so totally ignoring realty.

For him his issues were fixed but he is the exception not the rule.

A good friend of mine who has done nothing but linux for the past 10 years is the first to state linux in any version is no where near ready for prime time.
There are major driver issues for hardware support even though makers are no starting to support linux more often these days.

Some motherboards have support and others you need to dig on the Internet for weeks just to get it sort of going.

Everyday programs like common tax aren't supported and thats just one small example.

Hell even the driving force behind ubuntu has stated its not what it should be yet and has stated its another year or two before its really close to what it should be.

For everyday users the hassle of installing programs /drivers and finding stuff to do the job makes linux still to much of a headache.

Its a great start and in another year or two when these MAJOR issues are addressed then its going to really be a major os player and not a nice idea.

Don't get me wrong i think its going to do it but its not there yet.

Heck two years ago video card and motherboard support was a joke and look at we are now.

As for the buttering up term its used to make something seem better then it is and to gloss over major flaws.

Me i can't wait for the day when its prime time ready and i can avoid all this drm crap or bs.

I don't think we are that far off now and i do beleive this has ms and apple worried.

For now though we still live in the age of stick it in and forget.

[snooker]

I would have to agree for beginner Linux isn't user friendly . I know when I first try Windows , I didn't understand it until I started messing around with it and causing errors / problems with it . After awhile I did learn the basic . With Linux I found this to be MUCH harder to learn and understand and I even had the Linux forums for help . I didn't use any forums for Windows when I started. I still end up learnning the basic without them . There no way I would of learn the basic with Linux if it wasn't for the forums and knowing Windows basic . I like Linux for one reason only , Its free for some distros . At this point in time I wouldn't buy any distro but who knows what the future holds :)

[cdnLilWolf]

My statements began with picking on linux beginners on how they don't know how to install software. Either from source or through software packages. It's impossible to deny that most first time users don't know how to install software....sooo...i'm not quite sure what's misleading or inaccurate about that.

I read your initial posts again. Where did you make reference to "beginners"? I'm sorry, but the Adept package management system is dead simple. I'll grant you that compiling from source is truly not for computer neophytes. Then again, you need to understand the premise that these applications are built under. If you really want to install a particular OSS application, you may just have to learn how to do it if the author did not provide a package for it.

[smirnoff]

In couple of years all probably be the one agreeing with you whole heartily.

The other side of this is one can't totally blame linux for these issues since support for driving these things has been slow in coming from the hardware makers .
There does seem to be a driving shift now thought with the advent of drm and other crap.

[DazedNConfuzed]

OP sounds a bit ignorant towards Linux.
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lack of knowledge indicates beginner to me. Sorry I didn't spell it out from the get-go.

[cdnLilWolf]

That is so totally ignoring realty.
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For now though we still live in the age of stick it in and forget.

I'm not denying that there are "issues" as you like to put it. However, both DazednConfuzed and yourself make assertions that are over generalized.

If you want anecdotal evidence, this household alone runs 5 desktops 2 laptops and a netbook with a solid mix motherboards (Asus & Intel, CPU's (AMD & Intel) and GPU's (ATI, Intel & Nvidia). After installation, the only hardware I had trouble with, was my Hauppage TV cards and my wireless capabilities on my Acer netbook. Both work, but required some degree of tinkering.

Yes I still use Windows, but only because I still support applications I've written in Object Pascal and graphics where I used Corel.

My point still stands that if I put a budget box together for my Father (a true neophyte), it would work flawlessly for him as all he cares about is writing letters, surfing the net and playing solitaire.

[DazedNConfuzed]

lol I never had issues with Linux as an operating system. Apparently you seemed to have my comments confused.

The users are the ones with the issues was the joke I was trying to make, really, and is now no longer funny to me so continuing on is futile as you don't really and never really seemed to get it. To me it looked as though you took my comments as a personal attack to one of your children or something...it was more of a humourous joke. geez

Although smirnoff made some valid points about drivers and such, that is undeniable. But that was never my point in this thread.

[Limey32]

Starting to sound like an OSX vs Windows thread lol. Ubuntu is fantastic, I love it and recommend it to others.. but it does have some driver issues still, and is frustrating to some. Not me personally, I like figuring things out. But it is not ready to replace windows, or osx just yet.. for most people.

[cdnLilWolf]

lol I never had issues with Linux as an operating system. Apparently you seemed to have my comments confused.

The users are the ones with the issues was the joke I was trying to make, really, and is now no longer funny to me so continuing on is futile as you don't really and never really seemed to get it. To me it looked as though you took my comments as a personal attack to one of your children or something...it was more of a humourous joke. geez

Although smirnoff made some valid points about drivers and such, that is undeniable. But that was never my point in this thread.

While I know that LOL is the acronym for "Laughing Out Loud", it does not necessarily mean that you have your tongue firmly in your cheek. At least not with the internet I came to know. Anyway, if you were joking then so be it, my mistake.

BTW, ignorance does not equate with inexperience. To use a different analogy, we constantly see people who have been driving for 10, 20, 30 years or more who are ignorant of the rules of the road (or too arrogant to care). However, they are not beginners.

[winemaster]

Someone in the open source community should go all out and really improve the video editing software.
For me I am getting 99&#37; for my internet surfing that I get with Windows.
I am using Linux more and more but I am not prepared to cut the cord with Windows yet.

[cdnLilWolf]

Someone in the open source community should go all out and really improve the video editing software.


Funny you should mention that as just last week I read an article discussing that very problem. From a professional standpoint, it's one of those areas where Windows PC's and Mac's win hands down.

[baize_1]

What do you expect for free. I think that it's a great OS that has came along way. Oh and FREE!