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Noize Anomaly

11-01-2005, 11:26 PM

i ordered a powermac today!!!!!

dual 2.0 GHZ G5. not the quad monster but it will certainly do me fine.

someone told me that i can use my e-mac as a display....is this true? i don't see how.

where is the best (cheapest) place to get a display in the oshawa area? used is fine.

anything i should know about powermac maintenance/other issues?

by the way, it was said in my other post that the older powermacs don't have pci x slots that are needed for pro tools. right now i use logic, but i would like to run both at some point. this one has pci-express slots....those are pci x slots right?

Noize Anomaly

11-02-2005, 11:25 PM

another question....

i read somewhere that you can link 2 macs to combine processing power. the program i am using, Logic 7, supports this. can i link my emac to my powermac to combine processing power? if so, how?

lbjgh

11-03-2005, 09:56 PM

Aren't the new Intel-based macs gonna be released in Jan '06? ...are you gonna be stuck with old technology?

Tim

11-03-2005, 10:23 PM

I highly doubt we'll see intel anything in january. Certainly not the pro series. Making the whole pro community 'outdated' ain't going to happen anytime soon. PPC systems will rule for a few years yet.

Tim

11-03-2005, 10:25 PM

N A I don't think you'll be involving your emac for extra power on the dualie. I have the dual 1.8 and it bloody well screams :)

Look for a used dell p991 19" screens, they're around and cheap.
sell the emac and use the cash to get a dell 20" :d

lbjgh

11-03-2005, 10:26 PM

So the regular desktop macs with the Intel chips are different than the "pro series". I've heard the Mac-P4 frankeinputer will be out in Jan. 06. :rrg:

I highly doubt we'll see intel anything in january. Certainly not the pro series. Making the whole pro community 'outdated' ain't going to happen anytime soon. PPC systems will rule for a few years yet.

Tim

11-03-2005, 10:29 PM

where did you hear this?

and the OS is designed to run all apps on either chip.

I would expect to see powerbooks to be the first with intel in june 06. And I just bought a new one with both eyes open.
:)

Noize Anomaly

11-03-2005, 10:30 PM

Aren't the new Intel-based macs gonna be released in Jan '06? ...are you gonna be stuck with old technology?

we'll see low end macs with the intels, but i dubt there will be a powermac with one until 2007 or later. from what i've read, it wouldn't make sense for them to replace their lineup with something that is nowhere near as powerful as the monster quad. besides, i need the power now. i have things to do. and also, macs have better resell value than fender guitars, so it is also a partial investment into my macintel.

besides, by the time my mac is old technology, your dual core AMD will be a long forgotten relic, so why'd ya buy that?

lbjgh

11-03-2005, 11:02 PM

hehe, I'll be onto AMD's socket M2 so I ain't worried about my current dual core being obsolete. :)

You want to play with some photoshop numbers? check this thread:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=926660

besides, by the time my mac is old technology, your dual core AMD will be a long forgotten relic, so why'd ya buy that?

Tim

11-03-2005, 11:14 PM

and we'll be onto rev B or C G6 intel. What's your point?

If we sat around and benchmarked our machines like pc users like to do all day, we wouldn't notice the fact that the OS we have wipes windows into the trash where it belongs. This tends to be the place where pc users glaze over because generally, they haven't the first clue what they are truly missing in amongst their numbers of how many seconds quicker their processor can do a radial blur, which they probably never ever do in the first place.

In short, who cares?
:d

congrats N A, as a very happy owner of a G5 you will not regret that purchase at all.

Ottawaman

11-03-2005, 11:53 PM

NA Congrats!
Happy computing with your new mac!

Noize Anomaly

11-04-2005, 01:10 AM

thanks guys! the only horror will be when i get this thing home and still have no monitor. arrrgghhh!!!!! i guess i will have to use the force.......

now those benchmarks are like news polls....the numbers can be made to say whatever is intended. any reasonably educated fool can tell you this. i can easily give you a dozen more that contradict that one. besides, in the end, does it REALLY matter if one machine renders that whatever .00046 1/2 nano-seconds faster? i don't think so. think about that the next time you are spending hours in your registry, trying to resolve problems that should be every day routine to any capable OS, all the while beating off pop-ups, worms, viri, and spyware with a baseball bat....maybe you can get that stupid talking dog in windows to help chase them away??

i'd rather spend my time with an OS that actually WORKS. *cough* OSX *cough* ahemm......

Tim

11-04-2005, 08:50 AM

yep.

the macs in my shop, maybe 1% of the time is on maintainance, upkeep, etc. On the pc, I spend far far more time on updates, maintainance, virus check, spyware clean etc. I do know how mainatain a windows system well, but it takes a lot more time than the mac to do it and that, steals any precious seconds any amd processor might offer me over my G5, while adding aggravation.

2 words. nooooooo registry.
:)

lbjgh

11-04-2005, 09:05 AM

I don't want to hijack the thread but why do mac guys slag pc's? I've never had a problem with my hardware or software with windowsXP. ... and as far as benchmarks go, they serve to compare different platforms with similar applications. Oh, and as far as the regsitry goes, what's wrong with being able to tweak things if you want to? One last thing, isn't the latest mac OS based on Unix just like Linux? <--- is why people can run the latest mac OS on a PC. :o

Tim

11-04-2005, 09:21 AM

we slag when others slag macs. It's kind of a cause and effect thing. Registries aren't there for tweaking, they are there to bloat, annoy, corrupt, and all manner of sometimes unpredictable actions. What ever made you think we don't have the same power? In fact, in OS X we have something far more powerful. And stable. It's called the terminal where any unix geekhead can enter all kinds of unix commands to tweak, crash, maim, speed up, what have you the OS all we like. Except it don't bloat and take over your system like windows.
And yes, OS X is a variant of the BSD system. We can put X 11 windows on it and enjoy all the linux apps, all kinds of fun not available to windows users. :)

Noize Anomaly

11-04-2005, 02:30 PM

the reason they can run it on a pc is because they have a version of osx that supports the x86, but it doesn't have all the features yet to stop them from doing this. it isn't because it is based on UNIX. all previous releases of OSX were UNIX based any they could not be run on your peecees. but if i were microsoft, i would be extremely worried that people can run an os that actually works, AND has a ton of third party commercial software on their systems. why in **** would anyone run windows when they could run osx? anyway, enough of that....

the beast came in today!!!!! i have to go to work now and pick it up.....the problem is, i am out of $$$$ and i need a display still.....ARRRRGGHHHH!!!!!!!! the horror, the horror!!!!

Tim

11-04-2005, 06:53 PM

seriously I've seen 19" CRTs going for like 100 bucks.

that was fast. I'm still waiting for my built to order powerbook.
:)

oh, and I ran that photoshop test those pc dudes are running. I was within the scores the other guys were getting (62 seconds) which ain't bad on a system that's like um, 2 years old. :d

hmmm. shave 10 or so seconds off and run windows, or run os x. hmmmm...
:d

lbjgh

11-04-2005, 07:04 PM

hmm, not too bad considering my processor has two cores...

oh, and I ran that photoshop test those pc dudes are running. I was within the scores the other guys were getting (62 seconds) which ain't bad on a system that's like um, 2 years old. :d

hmmm. shave 10 or so seconds off and run windows, or run os x. hmmmm...
:d

Tim

11-04-2005, 07:11 PM

that's on a dual 1.8 GHz. Also, I had about 9 programs open like flash/dreamweaver/illustrator all with about 20 windows open so maybe I should run it without so much going on in the background. :)

edit> I'm just shutting down for the day and without rebooting etc. I reran the test and got 58 seconds. Didn't seem to make a lot of difference by having a whack of seriously ram hungry programs open with big movies.

Tim

11-04-2005, 07:29 PM

ok I was curious, I rebooted the system because I put this thing through bloody hell and murder all day with a kazzillion files. 53 seconds is the best time.
still not bad for almost 2 years old.
:)

Just Doug

11-04-2005, 07:51 PM

What is this Photoshop test you talk about?

Noize Anomaly

11-04-2005, 11:02 PM

if your dual 1.8 does that...imagine what the Quad 2.5 would do?!?!?

anyway, i am sitting here right beside my new dual g5 piece of sexy ass godliness. holy ****!

my work said they would lend me a display for the weekend, so i was very happy, and now i get home to find out that the display they gave me has a serial port!!!!!!!!!!~!!! so i can get another one tomorrow but i am not going to be able to sleep tonight. i need one with a DVI connector right?

lbjgh

11-05-2005, 12:12 AM

I'm gonna set my cpu(s) to 1.8ghz and see what happens just to play fair. :)

Limey32

11-05-2005, 12:22 AM

I'm gonna set my cpu(s) to 1.8ghz and see what happens just to play fair. :)

Larry, isn't this like picking on the folks in the little blue busses? :( Just kidding Mac folks. No need to scream. ;)

Noize Anomaly

11-05-2005, 01:00 AM

Just Doug

11-05-2005, 09:55 AM

What is this Photoshop test you talk about?

Anyone?

Tim

11-05-2005, 10:27 AM

this one Doug. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=926660

Thing is, I rarely if ever sit around applying blurs that completely destroy an image that way, and I wonder how many proud owners of the latest amd processor edit 50,000 pixel images?

anyways, the real test is 5 days of heavy media work 12 hours a day. :)

lbjgh

11-05-2005, 10:45 AM

hehe, I wasn't picking on people and their rigs... the one area where macs always excelled in the past was with photoshop. Things change though...

My 30-day trial ran out so I can't do the test at 1.8ghz now... sorry Tim.

Larry, isn't this like picking on the folks in the little blue busses? :( Just kidding Mac folks. No need to scream. ;)

Tim

11-05-2005, 10:57 AM

macs have excelled in any many things it's just that people don't know it. I was on this forum as a fire breathing pc user I built every system, in fact I'm going to build another. I maintain my software on both platforms in the cases where I have to develop for both platforms. I can honestly say, that even when the pc system will outgun my dual G5, I still will do 90% of my work on the mac. The list of things that os x does better than windows, is long. Like I said, the true test, is the usage throughout the day.

I have an idea of what your system will do clocked back, your test is on a new system with 800MHz times two faster than mine. That's like adding about 40% of cpu power to my system.

If I could build a system with the top AMD processors and run OS X on it legally with full support, I'd go to college street right after this coffee. :)
but the G5 does rather nicely. I'll look forward to my 4 year 'flip' to a quad intel system with 16 gigs of ram. :)

Just Doug

11-05-2005, 11:28 AM

Tim

11-05-2005, 11:37 AM

well?
:)

course I'd have to use your 2 year old system for a week and hit it hard editing a whack of media files all day and see how it stacks up . :)

Tim

11-05-2005, 12:42 PM

well? are you busy tweaking? :)

no tweaking here. Outta the box. :)

maybe I should try CS2
;)

Tim

11-05-2005, 12:44 PM

i was thinking....you bragged about being able to tweak and modify windows well,

1) you can mod a mac too....IT'S CALLED THE TERMINAL!!!

2)OSX works the way it is supposed to right out of the box. imagine that? i would personally rather spend my time being productive rather having to worry about every little underlying thing in windoze just to try and make it run half as good as OSX.
the pc dudes wouldn't know what that is. The linux users however would have a small clue. The unix geekheads though definitely would know. That's why many unix guys are buying laptops. Full commercial program support and unix needs all in one boot. :)

Just Doug

11-05-2005, 01:16 PM

well? are you busy tweaking? :)

no tweaking here. Outta the box. :)

maybe I should try CS2
;)

Were you waiting for me?

Tim

11-05-2005, 03:22 PM

I wanted it as I was curious as to how my two year old system would compare to your two year old system.

Thanks
What's your 2 year old system?

Just Doug

11-05-2005, 04:23 PM

Noize Anomaly

11-05-2005, 10:53 PM

finally got the powermac up and running. i am actually a little afraid of how powerful this thing is. every now and then it makes these clicky kind of noises, is that normal?

i don't think i am gonna put it online, except when i update software. so i am gonna need to send data back and forth between my 2 macs. i just need an ethernet cable for this? cat 45e? how do i set it all up?

Tim

11-06-2005, 10:14 AM

2500 Barton on an Asus nVidia dual channel mobo and it's actually closer to 3 years old.

My times suck because I've only got 512M ram. Mine was around 2 minutes.

I just got back from my vendor and he was all out of 1G PC4000 sticks. :(
I don't know if ram will make a huge difference. Although in your case going up from 512 might help a little. It works the cpu out.
so 2500+ is supposed to be a 2.5?
Then you're probably about in the right place I guess.

well. there you have it. Benchmarking, and it's real uselessness...
:)

Noize Anomaly

11-06-2005, 05:31 PM

yeah benchmarks are stupid and useless. like i said before, just like news polls.

glitch

11-06-2005, 11:42 PM

lbjgh

11-10-2005, 08:49 PM

Just thought I'd share...
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=263394

Tim

11-10-2005, 10:19 PM

"I've re-done this test using the demo version of CS2.

Ran it 3 times, each time restarting the app and recorded times of 19.3s, 19.2s, and 19.2s.

Again ran using a Quad 2.5GHz G5 2.5GB RAM 10.4.3"

whoa. less than 20 seconds. the dual dual core smokes. :)

looks like my dual 1.8 sits about right with what the others are reporting.

Noize Anomaly

11-12-2005, 08:26 PM

you get to use a quad?!?

Tim

11-12-2005, 08:34 PM

no. I quoted a user who reported his numbers.

damn fine numbers them.

lbjgh

11-30-2005, 02:42 PM

In your face pal. JK :)
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5976771.html

I highly doubt we'll see intel anything in january. Certainly not the pro series. Making the whole pro community 'outdated' ain't going to happen anytime soon. PPC systems will rule for a few years yet.

Just Doug

12-04-2005, 08:25 PM

Why PC4000? Are you going to overclock?

Sorry, but I've been away from this place for a bit. When I ran the Photshop test I did it at default speed for a 2500+ which is 1833 Mhz.

This is one of the multiplier unlocked chips and I normally run it stock voltage at 11 x 200 and have 2 x 256M PC3200 sticks in it now. It's Samsung general-purpose RAM and the most I've ever gotten it to is a 206 Mhz FSB and I know it's the RAM.

I know this processor has a lot headroom left for overclocking so was going to go the PC4000 route so that I would unlikely need to boost RAM voltage.

A lapped Swiftec sink with a 53 CFM Sanyo-Denki fan should take care of any voltage bumps on the processor and if that fan isn't enough I have an 80-something CFM ear-shredder in reserve.

Sadly a car repair has put off the RAM upgrade, but I have been good this year and Santa may have a little treat for me under the tree.

BTW, this box and my server sit in a different room from all the peripherals. The 10 hard drives in the server are noisy too.