Dabling with AMD X2

[lbjgh]

OK, I finally got the X2 running on a new DFI NF3 Ultra-D motherboard.

I just did a clean install and I'm ready to start playin'
http://ca.geocities.com/lbjgh@rogers.com/new_chip.jpg

[Dan]

wtf.....how do you have the money for all this $hit....lol let us know how it works

[lbjgh]

work and an understanding wife. :eri:
http://ca.geocities.com/lbjgh@rogers.com/new_chip2.jpg


wtf.....how do you have the money for all this $hit....lol let us know how it works

[kkrawler]

You making me jelous!!

[Dan]

that lil picture thing at the end is awsome in relation to what you said lol .. i can't wait till my bday on jan 12th in 2k6 when i get my new system... have you oced it yet, cuz i was at a amd conference and the dude said that it come factory multiplier Locked

[lbjgh]

Like all other A64's the multipliers are unlocked lower than the default multiplier. Only the FX series of CPUs are multiplier unlocked higher than default.

I have got the chip to 2625mhz with some stability problems which may be related to my power supply or bios issues... still tweaking, but I'd like to run at 9x283 which would be the same as my old winchester (but two of 'em :D )

[lbjgh]

Hmm, still tweaking and trying to find the upper limit.

One thing I've noticed is that these chips run hot. I guess it is no surprise as there are two cores generating heat. I may burn in these chips for a while then drop the voltage to see if I can reduce the heat. :)

http://ca.geocities.com/lbjgh@rogers.com/hot.jpg

[Limey32]

How come these is such a difference in voltages between the 2 cores?

[Dan]

I don't think upping the voltages would be a bad idea. Then again you've had alot more experience than me with this. Let us know how it goes... I am thinking of pushing my system to the limits but I never have time to sit down and tweak stuff

[lbjgh]

I think there is a reporting glitch with either the bios or with CPUz as the two voltages are ususally within 0.03v.

The bios for this board is still fairly new so perhaps a bios update will help.


How come these is such a difference in voltages between the 2 cores?

[lbjgh]

The voltage is currently 0.3v above stock now. I'd like to drop that to 0.2v above stock after a short burn in period. My goal is 2700mhz for both cores so maybe I'll increase the frequencies with the same 1.60v
. :ght:


I don't think upping the voltages would be a bad idea. Then again you've had alot more experience than me with this. Let us know how it goes... I am thinking of pushing my system to the limits but I never have time to sit down and tweak stuff

[Dan]

Yea i noticed in your pic your getting 65degrees WOW cook some eggs on that!

You've got it at 2700MHz, isn't stock like 2.2Ghz....you got it up 500mhz???? thats f'n huge! and thats just with fsb tweaks lol

[lbjgh]

Two CPUs, One heatsink fan.

I'm only at 2600mhz now... 2.7 is the target. :hsh:


Yea i noticed in your pic your getting 65degrees WOW cook some eggs on that!

You've got it at 2700MHz, isn't stock like 2.2Ghz....you got it up 500mhz???? thats f'n huge! and thats just with fsb tweaks lol

[kkrawler]

just out of curioustiry what are you using for cooling your rig?

[Dan]

even still like 400Mhz is alot... on my barton if i got from 2.09 to 2.23 I get hickups

[lbjgh]

Zalman 7000cu


just out of curioustiry what are you using for cooling your rig?

[Dan]

heh I think if it was stock cooling he woulda had a bbq by now :P

[kkrawler]

heh I think if it was stock cooling he woulda had a bbq by now :P


Indeed

[lbjgh]

Well at stock voltage and 2.4ghz the cpu idles at 32c. :D

[Dan]

not bawd. me want X2 :(

[Athlon_9800]

You should've went for the 4400+. It's not much more :) Nice nonetheless.

[lbjgh]

Athlon_9800, thanks you are right about the 4400+ it would have been a better option but you have to take a deal when it presents itself. ;)

Your system must rock with that video card and processor! Did you consider the X2 before you purchased the 4000+?

[Dan]

WOW athlon_9800 do some tests on that bad boy and post. so far that system is almost the best system...like WHOA!

Still can't believe lbjgh got his 4200 X2 up to 2.6Ghz f'n lucky b@$t@rd :P

[Athlon_9800]

Athlon_9800, thanks you are right about the 4400+ it would have been a better option but you have to take a deal when it presents itself. ;)

Your system must rock with that video card and processor! Did you consider the X2 before you purchased the 4000+?

I did consider it, but the 4000+ did better in benches and I couldn't justify getting a dual yet. Maybe down the road.

And Dan, I haven't been able to get any sort of benches on this machine as of yet because I'm on dial up for my crappy location. Today, however, I brought my tower to a cable connection to do some downloading. I'll be overclocking and posting benches hopefully later today :)

[Dan]

does your 4000+ come mutiplier unlocked? What core is that San Deigo I know the Winchesters (i think) come unlocked my buddy got some decent clocks off his 3500+

[lbjgh]

I finally got around to running a few sisoft sandra benchmarks :) ... here goes,

http://ca.geocities.com/lbjgh@rogers.com/4200_cpu.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/lbjgh@rogers.com/4200_media.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/lbjgh@rogers.com/4200_mem.jpg

[Dan]

good luck dude

[Athlon_9800]

A lot has come up problem-wise with my setup. I'm rather annoyed and would rather deal with it before even posting what's going on if you guys can understand. Just a pain in the ass. Although I doubt you guys truly care, hehe :P

[lbjgh]

Come on man, we're here to help... what up? :rrg:


A lot has come up problem-wise with my setup. I'm rather annoyed and would rather deal with it before even posting what's going on if you guys can understand. Just a pain in the ass. Although I doubt you guys truly care, hehe :P

[Athlon_9800]

Come on man, we're here to help... what up? :rrg:

Well, you read the thread where I was having trouble with a blue screen error and had to get the ram RMA'd. So, anyways, I got my ram back and it was working fine for a bit... that is until I restarted it. I would get the very same blue screen, except it would flicker suddenly then just restart the computer. After not being able to get in at all, I stuck different ram in and tried every combination, but the same thing happened. Then it got worse: I wasn't getting past the post screen at all, it would just be a black screen after that, nothing more. Keep in mind the BIOS was at default settings, I didn't get TIME to overclock or trying anything new. Anyways, I switched out all the parts, trying all possible things, but figure that it has to be the motherboard, cannot be anything else. Odd things were also happening, like the jumpers and such for the HDD led and power led, as well as extra firewire ports weren't working. Not to mention, if I was in the BIOS for a few minutes it would just freeze. So, I'm assuming I sent OCZ ram back that was fine and there was no need for RMA...

Ok, so I called the store and I can take it in for them to see if it needs replacing (if you know how much a pain dealing with Canada Computers is, you'll understand my anger). I'm going in this morning and I basically demanded (lol) over the phone that they give me a straight answer on it, and that I can't do without the computer for weeks, so they are going to let me come in later to get it on the same day. It dpesn't help that every time I call them I get someone that can't speak english worth **** and doesn't know their head from their a'hole.

*this message was done on a different computer... but it brings me to tears not being able to use my sexy beast that is sitting behind me :hhh:

[Athlon_9800]

Oh, if you guys can suggest anything before I go at around 9-10am, by all means, do so ;)

[Kegwithlegs]

Bring a interpreter … Doh
Most of those guys have selective control of the English language.
I find if you spent thousands of dollars on a weekly basis they are really nice if you don’t ! …well… !
Good Luck Guy

[Athlon_9800]

Bring a interpreter … Doh
Most of those guys have selective control of the English language.
I find if you spent thousands of dollars on a weekly basis they are really nice if you don’t ! …well… !
Good Luck Guy

Lol, thanks.

[lbjgh]

Try and contact DFI before you go. I got an e-mail from them that I was able to show the guy at CC since I have a blackberry. DFI basically told me to get a replacement motherboard.

There have been many reports of the DFI NF4 boards undervolting badly, I don't know if the problem has been resolved.

Just a thought... you want to consider a different motherboard maker... if I was going to an NF4 board I would probably get the Epox 9npa3+ as my previous Epox board was stable as nails and an excellent overclocker.

[jamie]

Thats sad to hear Athlon9800..
Did you build your rig? or CC do it..
Very nice by the way, just need to see some benchies when it's running at 100%..
Did you buy the ram there? CC
if so how much is the OCZ pc3200 Rev2 TCC5 chips going for??
Maybe you problem could be Power supply issue?

[Athlon_9800]

I got a replacement board today... and it doesn't work...

I was told to take the whole tower in tomorrow as I bought the whole thing there.

Yes, Jamie, I built it myself.

I will see what they say tomorrow...

[Athlon_9800]

Try and contact DFI before you go. I got an e-mail from them that I was able to show the guy at CC since I have a blackberry. DFI basically told me to get a replacement motherboard.

There have been many reports of the DFI NF4 boards undervolting badly, I don't know if the problem has been resolved.

Just a thought... you want to consider a different motherboard maker... if I was going to an NF4 board I would probably get the Epox 9npa3+ as my previous Epox board was stable as nails and an excellent overclocker.

Well, I read so many good things about the board. You know? I am suspecting a CPU problem now... heh. I'm just so confused, hopefully they find the problem since I'll be taking the whole computer in like I said above.

[Kegwithlegs]

Well, I read so many good things about the board. You know? I am suspecting a CPU problem now... heh. I'm just so confused, hopefully they find the problem since I'll be taking the whole computer in like I said above.
So it looks like they are looking after you ...good to see nice on CC
CPU? it always the LAST thing you think of ...me anyway FAwck ...feel your pain ..bin there ...good luck

[Athlon_9800]

Yeah, it IS the last thing, heh, I've actually never had a problem with a CPU.

Thanks a lot guys for helping out, hopefully I'm not without this computer for too much longer. I find that if you talk to them the right way you can get them to pretty much do whatever you want, lol, I mean they don't seem to have rules they follow often.

Kegwithlegs.. thanks for the "good luck", I'll need it ;)

[Dan]

i've noticed all you guys with a64 procs..... and i don't see the most popular and stable mobo being the ASUS SLI-DELUXE. at least i've heard its very popular and stable, any reason why you guys chose otherwise?

[Athlon_9800]

i've noticed all you guys with a64 procs..... and i don't see the most popular and stable mobo being the ASUS SLI-DELUXE. at least i've heard its very popular and stable, any reason why you guys chose otherwise?

Well, Asus isn't very enthusiast friendly. Not good for overclocking and such. Plus, I like the huge amount of extras that came with the DFI board.

[Limey32]

I can't help you, but can feel your pain. Too many companies using, shall we say, less than competent help. I have never understood how a North American Company feels it is ok to use less than understandable workers to represent their help desk. Applies to almost anything you call about now.

[AMD]

After dealing with Canada Computers trying to find out what was wrong with my then new system (bought the board, RAM + HSF from them), I’ll never buy anything from them again.

They started blaming me for corrupting the BIOS in an attempt to do a flash (never made changes though), but still exchanged the board. Turns out that the board was fine and their crappy Samsung DDR RAM wasn't compatible even though they said it was. (NF7-S doesn’t like some modules) Bah!

[Athlon_9800]

After dealing with Canada Computers trying to find out what was wrong with my then new system (bought the board, RAM + HSF from them), I’ll never buy anything from them again.

They started blaming me for corrupting the BIOS in an attempt to do a flash (never made changes though), but still exchanged the board. Turns out that the board was fine and their crappy Samsung DDR RAM wasn't compatible even though they said it was. (NF7-S doesn’t like some modules) Bah!

I said the very same thing, I told myself and others that I would never buy from there again... Even making a long post on this very forums about how bad they screwed me over! But, their low prices over every other store is what made me go back. I saved several hundred dollars compared to most other stores. Anyways, they seem to be helping me out, just slowly. At least I'm dealing with the head office and not the actual store in markham (as I ordered all of the parts online). So I go to that location and it's far less crowded... actually it's mostly just a bunch of Asian people in a room typing away.

[lbjgh]

My choice was for X2 compatiblity and AGP video card. donno about the other guys.

[jamie]

I said the very same thing, I told myself and others that I would never buy from there again... Even making a long post on this very forums about how bad they screwed me over! But, their low prices over every other store is what made me go back. I saved several hundred dollars compared to most other stores. Anyways, they seem to be helping me out, just slowly. At least I'm dealing with the head office and not the actual store in markham (as I ordered all of the parts online). So I go to that location and it's far less crowded... actually it's mostly just a bunch of Asian people in a room typing away.
That's where I go aswell if I need to buy something from them..
You are talking about the Ferrier st location/ Steeles and Ferrier..:)
another good store right around the corner is Infonec on Hood rd..

[jamie]

Well my biggest reason is my AGP video card...
Don't see the need to go PCI yet..we have not even saturated the 8X agp bandwidth yet..





i've noticed all you guys with a64 procs..... and i don't see the most popular and stable mobo being the ASUS SLI-DELUXE. at least i've heard its very popular and stable, any reason why you guys chose otherwise?

[Athlon_9800]

That's where I go aswell if I need to buy something from them..
You are talking about the Ferrier st location/ Steeles and Ferrier..:)
another good store right around the corner is Infonec on Hood rd..

Yep, that location. You're not allowed to just walk in and buy stuff, though, right? It says that on their site and it would seem that way on the appearance of the place.

[jamie]

I've always just walked in a bought stuff...
I was there just 3 weeks ago and bought a mobo from them..my DFI.:)


Yep, that location. You're not allowed to just walk in and buy stuff, though, right? It says that on their site and it would seem that way on the appearance of the place.

[Athlon_9800]

I've always just walked in a bought stuff...
I was there just 3 weeks ago and bought a mobo from them..my DFI.:)

lol, well like I said above... they don't really have set rules they seem to follow. But if you look on the site, it says no sales at this location.

[Dan]

Well, Asus isn't very enthusiast friendly. Not good for overclocking and such. Plus, I like the huge amount of extras that came with the DFI board.

Thats funny, cuz my buddy got a 3500+ with his ASUS, and got some pretty damn ocing results off a Thermalright heatsink and 120mm fan.

And outta curiousity can you give me some examples of these "extras"

[Athlon_9800]

How about 'cause I hate Asus and their garbage? I hate to say it, but "N00bz" buy Asus.

Enjoy: http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=3449&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=US

[Athlon_9800]

Oh, and they kept my tower... after telling me there was nothing wrong and they got it booted up without making any hardware changes... WHICH IS BS!

Considering the guy that does all the computers for Durham College and University of Ontario (a family friend) looked at it for me and knew that it was defective hardware but couldn't be sure which part it was that was causing the conflicts.

Anyways, those lying jerks have my computer and said they will call on Monday morning... I swear, if they give me some mumbo jumbo excuse about something and blame me in any way, i will have a fit.

[Dan]

but why would all major web sites. ie toms hardware do all their SLI testing with ASUS-SLI, nothing to do with n00b. if your a n00b you'd be getting a dell. just my opinion. asus is the biggest brand in motherboards or one of the biggest. i use it on my box and have no complaints.

and as far as the extras on that page are concerned i really don't see anything that i'd concider extra.

any thoughts?

[Limey32]

Just a thought. I hate it when posts are removed, and some are left.

[Athlon_9800]

but why would all major web sites. ie toms hardware do all their SLI testing with ASUS-SLI, nothing to do with n00b. if your a n00b you'd be getting a dell. just my opinion. asus is the biggest brand in motherboards or one of the biggest. i use it on my box and have no complaints.

and as far as the extras on that page are concerned i really don't see anything that i'd concider extra.

any thoughts?

Man, if you've bothered to read anything on the DFI board, you'll notice the insane amount of overclocking options. The extras are a lot as far as anything I've ever seen... front-x, cables up the wazoo, pc transpo, sleeving, and just look at the stuff on the board itself.

Oh, and the same site you brought up (Tom's Hardware) has said in their article on A64 NF4 boards that the DFI nF4 SLI-DR is the best overall board for gamers/enthusiasts.

Asus tries to cover many demographics, I wanted a gaming board. Your question was why we didn't go Asus, well, that's my reason - as well as the reasons I stated above.

[Dan]

Man, if you've bothered to read anything on the DFI board, you'll notice the insane amount of overclocking options. The extras are a lot as far as anything I've ever seen... front-x, cables up the wazoo, pc transpo, sleeving, and just look at the stuff on the board itself.

Oh, and the same site you brought up (Tom's Hardware) has said in their article on A64 NF4 boards that the DFI nF4 SLI-DR is the best overall board for gamers/enthusiasts.

Asus tries to cover many demographics, I wanted a gaming board. Your question was why we didn't go Asus, well, that's my reason - as well as the reasons I stated above.

Hey dude its all good. good to hear somebody being able to back that up. because I never knew that I i WILL take that into concideration when i get my new upgrade after xmas. As far as the overclocking is concerned i've never been big on it..but still sounds awsome. actualy i think i actually burnt my barton core 2800+ maybe not who knows

[Dan]

What are you thoughts on the Abit Fatal1ty motherboard?

[Athlon_9800]

What are you thoughts on the Abit Fatal1ty motherboard?

It seems quite good, too. I've heard of it having problems with some RAM configurations, though. The Fatal1ty was another I have considered buying, but ultimately I went with the DFI.

[Dan]

thats cool...its good for me to get opinions im liking this. i never really new of DFI till you guys talked about it, and i checked it out and liked what i saw.... and im going towards dual core as well when i do my upgrade so